Originally posted by Eminence
Also, PIS.
Beg your pardon, but no. PIS does not apply here.
Firstly, as Lord Lucien pointed out, Jedi are strongly against using the Force in such a violent way and besides, why should we assume it's so easy to "just kill Grievous with The Force?"
How exactly are they supposed to do that?
Mace Windu crushed his armour, but Mace is a very powerful, top-level Jedi. I highly doubt that the average Jedi could have done that even if they were willing to.
Originally posted by chilled monkeyPIS applies pretty much everywhere in SW, especially here. Obi-Wan could've started out his duel with Grievous by... not dueling him, and instead just chucking him into a wall like he did at the end. Rinse and repeat. Someone like Ki-Adi-Mundi, who was powerful enough to pull a barge out of the ground while battered and wounded, should have easily been able to simply levitate Grievous into the air and have someone else decapitate him.
Beg your pardon, but no. PIS does not apply here.
It's true, there's a lot of stuff that makes no sense when you think about it. I'm surprised they don't just destroy each other's weapons or disarm each other with well timed telekinesis, or just do stuff like what Dooku did in the battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin. Why not impale Obi-Wan on your lightsaber if you can just lift him into the air and choke him in the middle of a fight?
An annoying EU one is, if Jedi have cortosis daggers, why don't they use them as parrying daggers in lightsaber duels? Nevermind how inconsistently cortosis is portrayed.
Originally posted by Barringer
It's true, there's a lot of stuff that makes no sense when you think about it. I'm surprised they don't just destroy each other's weapons or disarm each other with well timed telekinesis, or just do stuff like what Dooku did in the battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin. Why not impale Obi-Wan on your lightsaber if you can just lift him into the air and choke him in the middle of a fight?An annoying EU one is, if Jedi have cortosis daggers, why don't they use them as parrying daggers in lightsaber duels? Nevermind how inconsistently cortosis is portrayed.
Because it's hard to mine and for an extended analysis read Dart Ban😛oD first 50 or so pages have cortosis mentions in them. It's also a good read.
Originally posted by mattatom
Because it's hard to mine and for an extended analysis read Dart Ban😛oD first 50 or so pages have cortosis mentions in them. It's also a good read.
That's part of its inconsistent portrayal. In one of its first appearances in Vision of the Future, it is said of it:
"Aside from the lightsaber thing, the stuff's basically useless. It's too weak and crumbly to build with - a good blaster carbine bolt will shatter it."
Then in Path of Destruction says:
"Impervious to both heat and energy, cortosis was prized in the construction of armor and shielding by both commercial and military interests, especially with the galaxy at war. Highly resistant to blaster bolts, cortosis alloys supposedly could withstand even the blade of a lightsaber. Unfortunately, the very properties that made it so valuable also made it extremely difficult to mine. Plasma torches were virtually useless; it would take days to burn away even a small section of cortosis-laced rock. The only effective way to mine it was through the brute force of hydraulic jacks pounding relentlessly away at a vein, chipping the cortosis free bit by bit."
Originally posted by Barringer
That's part of its inconsistent portrayal. In one of its first appearances in Vision of the Future, it is said of it:"Aside from the lightsaber thing, the stuff's basically useless. It's too weak and crumbly to build with - a good blaster carbine bolt will shatter it."
Then in Path of Destruction says:
"Impervious to both heat and energy, cortosis was prized in the construction of armor and shielding by both commercial and military interests, especially with the galaxy at war. Highly resistant to blaster bolts, cortosis alloys supposedly could withstand even the blade of a lightsaber. Unfortunately, the very properties that made it so valuable also made it extremely difficult to mine. Plasma torches were virtually useless; it would take days to burn away even a small section of cortosis-laced rock. The only effective way to mine it was through the brute force of hydraulic jacks pounding relentlessly away at a vein, chipping the cortosis free bit by bit."
Ahh never knew about Vision of the Future, sorry, damn these inconsistencies!
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Same reason they don't simply kill everyone else with the Force. It's a vicious and overly violent use of their powers. And they're all against that. But then you get Mace doing his thang, and he's always kewl.
Mace? That guy is a prancing soccer playing fairy, as you will know if you have even glanced at the EU. Even the movies show is whiny side - like when he burst into tears when he got cut. The guy is only fractionally more manly than Darth Vader.
Every Jedi should just Force throw Grievous until he is broken, or until he runs off.
Originally posted by Happy_Sith
Mace? That guy is a prancing soccer playing fairy, as you will know if you have even glanced at the EU. Even the movies show is whiny side - like when he burst into tears when he got cut. The guy is only fractionally more manly than Darth Vader.
Originally posted by Happy_Sith
Every Jedi should just Force throw Grievous until he is broken, or until he runs off.
Yeah, it isn't as if they have to avoid aggressive feelings or misuse of this all powerful, poorly defined, omnipotent energy field or anything... OH SHI-!
Originally posted by Red NemesisLolwut?
Yeah, it isn't as if they have to avoid aggressive feelings or misuse of this all powerful, poorly defined, omnipotent energy field or anything... OH SHI-! [/B]
I will not do the regular, 'quote by quote' system that encourages internet warriorism/foolishness/etc.
Thus, I will simply address your post.
First, this 'Lolwut' is, I presume, in agreement with my assessment of the Cry-Baby, sissy, Windu.
Second, the Jedi can force push when they feel like it. Pity they didn't feel like it when GG was on the attack, apparently causing maheem.
Originally posted by Happy_Sith
I will not do the regular, 'quote by quote' system that encourages internet warriorism/foolishness/etc.Thus, I will simply address your post.
First, this 'Lolwut' is, I presume, in agreement with my assessment of the Cry-Baby, sissy, Windu.
Second, the Jedi can force push when they feel like it. Pity they didn't feel like it when GG was on the attack, apparently causing maheem.
Other than Windu sissy thing, most of what you say is true of the Jedi and GG. The inconsistencies are usually chalked up to the different power levels of Jedi. But the likes of Mundi and Obi should have been able to manipulate Grevious to a greater degree with TK.
On Hypori I think the Jedi were fatigued which allowed Grevious to outfight them. He does have enhanced speed and reflexes.
Warriorism?
'Lolwut' is traditionally used to indicate incredulity or disbelief at the content of a particular line or post. As such, 'agreement with [your] assessment' is precisely the opposite of what I intended to convey. Whether this was an honest misunderstanding or an attempt to color the rest of the debate will be shown with your next post.
I find the label 'sissy' to be grossly misplaced if applied to Windu. His character in the films was clearly an attempt at the stereotypical 'strong, silent type' of warrior. His portrayal in the EU is not much different. Unless you are simply articulating a dislike for the character I would ask you to substantiate what you mean by 'cry-baby'. That certainly isn't how the character appeared to me.
The Jedi, according to Yoda 'must not use the Force for attack' or some such. His teachings, as passed on to Luke, were very clear on that fact. The offensive application of Telekinetic abilities appears to be the domain of the Dark Side. As it is a major moral imperative for the Jedi to avoid the Dark Side, using their Force Push to dispatch Grievous is not only out of character, it is contrary to their character.
