Knowing
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Watched it last night on the Cinema, not liked by many critics but I thought it was brilliant, really enjoyed it.
Ok there were illogical holes in the story, but its a movie not reality so not surprising.
The religion = Aliens message was very apparent, in fact laughable imo.
All in all a good movie.
Originally posted by omgchosThat's the thing, it isn't explicitly stated that the Aliens/Angels, for they were both, were in anyway connected to the apperance of human beings. They were connected to the cultural developement, that is for certain, but the appearance and evolution of humans? The movie didn't make it clear.
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If the aliens know the future.... why didn't they put humanity on a planet that wasn't gonna burn...
Originally posted by omgchosAgain, the movie didn't make it clear, but with the number of crystal chariots (ships) that took off, I would imagine there was somebody like Lucinda in more than one place on Earth.
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If that lil girl was the only one who knew the future.... or at least wrote it down... did the aliens just kidnapp all the other kids? Or was there a girl who knew the pick up coordinates in every city in the world, or how ever man kids got abducted?
Originally posted by simpleviolet
Wow the best movie Nicholas Cage has done in several years. Super recommended. The ending was kind of disturbing. its pretty deep and the effects are heart stopping it was so good im still thinking about it
Yeah, that's about how I was on the film.
There were stupid parts of the film, such as the boy writing feverishly. No reason for that. What was he writing dates for? It was PIS. It was simply added to the film to be "freaky". No need for it.
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Also, when the boy saw the whole forest on fire, that was fairly freaky. Nicely done...and actually freaky.
Plane crashing was the shiznit. Quite cool. Very nicely done. Realistic.
I like realistic.
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However, the super solar flare B.S. Stupid and unrealistic.
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
I watched it, enjoyed it a lot. The plane scene was spectacular in my opinion. As for the Alien versus Angel argument, its apparent to me that if you're having the argument in the first place, you missed the entire point of the movie.
"Having the argument" I think any thinking person must consider the possibility. But
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Having the tree of life there on the other planet was just silly imo
As for illogical parts, a few have been mentioned.
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Why didn´t the aliens use their technology, which looked well advanced, to block the solar flare
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how did the aliens know what was going to happen in history, or did they produce these disasters over the 50 years?If they knew at least 50 years ago what was going to happen they could also have started an evacuation 50 years ago. Unless of course they only wanted "good people" ie kids for a new start.
All in all an excellent movie to provoke thought as can be seen here🙂
Originally posted by Bicnarok
"Having the argument" I think any thinking person must consider the possibility. ButSpoiler:
Having the tree of life there on the other planet was just silly imoAs for illogical parts, a few have been mentioned.
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Why didn´t the aliens use their technology, which looked well advanced, to block the solar flareand
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how did the aliens know what was going to happen in history, or did they produce these disasters over the 50 years?If they knew at least 50 years ago what was going to happen they could also have started an evacuation 50 years ago. Unless of course they only wanted "good people" ie kids for a new start.
All in all an excellent movie to provoke thought as can be seen here🙂
Your last point is easily explained.
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They got to choose who they brought over to the new place. They seemed very partial to those who could hear the whispers and who were receptive to those whispers. The aliens, obviously having their own set of "social rules" and morals, determined that those particular humans were the best fit for maintaining the human species and probably remaining in good relations with the aliens. I detected a tiny hint of humans being shitty for the planet...sort of a green peace type of thing. The aliens seemed to be a metaphor for those people, imo.Yes, there are problems...such as portions of the planet that don't see the sun for many many days (ask the penguins). And then there are those people who worked underground...many miles. And then there are those facilities that are underground...and buildings that are underground. Humans wouldn't be wiped out by something like that...we're like a virus.
And I thought that thing at the end was the Tree of Life as well. I Lol'd...that's like a Mormon thing. 😄
So, yeah. The aliens didn't want to save humans because we are, as a whole, too evil and wicked and only those that were receptive to the whispers were worthy of being saved. LOL....Sounds religious when summed up like that. 😄
The aliens knew what was going to happen based on extremely complex mathematical models. It wasn't predicting the future, it was more like...every variable was accounted for in such detail that it seemed like precognition, but it wasn't. To simplify it, it was like calculating how fast a ball will be traveling after free falling in a vacuum for 10 seconds...except trillions upon trillions of variables were included to get extremely minute details out of the mathematical model they designed. They then "beamed" these numbers into receptive children. Badda Boom. Precog writing babies.
Also, I'm going to stop typing in spoiler tags. I'm tired of doing it. Don't click damn thread if you don't want to know about it, IDIOTS!
Originally posted by BicnarokThat's the thing, though: a thinking person would understand that those beings represent both aliens and angels. So having the argument, to me, is completely missing the point that the movie was stressing. I wasn't talking about you, though, in my first quote, I was just stating what I thought.
"Having the argument" I think any thinking person must consider the possibility. ButSpoiler:
Having the tree of life there on the other planet was just silly imo
Why didn´t the aliens use their technology, which looked well advanced, to block the solar flare?Seemingly advanced and being advanced enough to block out the power of the sun are two very different things.
how did the aliens know what was going to happen in history, or did they produce these disasters over the 50 years?Producing the disasters is a very intriguing idea, but I say they were just able to produce algorithms that could show the answers to the future.
If they knew at least 50 years ago what was going to happen they could also have started an evacuation 50 years ago. Unless of course they only wanted "good people" ie kids for a new start.This is a common criticism, I've found. But answer me this, what would be the point of starting the evacuation fifty years in advance? Who's to say they had enough resources to save everybody on Earth? Would that be fair to save some "good" people and not all? They made the executive decision to wait and save just enough children to protect the survival of the human species but not force people to live their entire lives in deep depression, knowing that they didn't get chosen and they will soon die with the planet.
After thinking about this movie for the entire day, I have to say, if the acting was better from Cage, this movie might be the best of the year.
Originally posted by dadudemon The aliens seemed to be a metaphor for those people, imo.That's a vaible opinion. I didn't get that feeling, but I can certainly understand why you did.
Yes, there are problems...such as portions of the planet that don't see the sun for many many days (ask the penguins). And then there are those people who worked underground...many miles. And then there are those facilities that are underground...and buildings that are underground. Humans wouldn't be wiped out by something like that...we're like a virus.Negative. Everyone would be dead, whether they were in the ground or not. If they were not underground, they would suffocate because the entire atmosphere was burning up, thats what that ball of fire on Earth was: the atmoshphere being lit up in flames. As for being underground, the radiation and heat would have killed them, plus the crust would have been radiated as a result, as well.
Also, I'm going to stop typing in spoiler tags. I'm tired of doing it. Don't click damn thread if you don't want to know about it, IDIOTS!Agreed.
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Negative. Everyone would be dead, whether they were in the ground or not. If they were not underground, they would suffocate because the entire atmosphere was burning up, thats what that ball of fire on Earth was: the atmoshphere being lit up in flames. As for being underground, the radiation and heat would have killed them, plus the crust would have been radiated as a result, as well.
No, the crust would have been fine.
Cage said 1 or 2 miles deep.
That'd be fine.
And, no, underground facilities with their self contained ventilation systems would be fine.
Also, the pentagon is like.......50+ stories undergound or some shit.
There would be those freaks who had those underground shelters that are/were built for a nuclear explosion that have their own ventilation as well.
And, the oxygen would quickly restore itself back to normal levels.....and, no, it wouldn't burn up all the oxygen. Why doesn't the entire room explode when you light a match? Because the atmosphere is mostly Nitrogen....kinda chokes out the oxygen being burnable.
And, no, it wouldn't be nuclear.
The radiation from space is very minimal...even without our ozone layer and Van Allen Belt. (Van Allen Belt should be fine, though...because the central core should still be churning away.)
Originally posted by dadudemonWell, firstly, this whole thing is a non-argument because a solar flare of that nature could never, or rather hasn't ever happened, so everything is just a what if. But a few things.
No, the crust would have been fine.Cage said 1 or 2 miles deep.
That'd be fine.
And, no, underground facilities with their self contained ventilation systems would be fine.
Also, the pentagon is like.......50+ stories undergound or some shit.
There would be those freaks who had those underground shelters that are/were built for a nuclear explosion that have their own ventilation as well.
And, the oxygen would quickly restore itself back to normal levels.....and, no, it wouldn't burn up all the oxygen. Why doesn't the entire room explode when you light a match? Because the atmosphere is mostly Nitrogen....kinda chokes out the oxygen being burnable.
And, no, it wouldn't be nuclear.
The radiation from space is very minimal...even without our ozone layer and Van Allen Belt. (Van Allen Belt should be fine, though...because the central core should still be churning away.)
1) The atmosphere can absolutely be burned away and decimated. Either I'm not being clear enough or you're confusing burning for being burned away, as in a torrent solar flames or gamma bursts that wash away the atmosphere into nothingness or very minimal is left.
2) The crust would have been irradiated completely because of the lack of ozone. The ozone protects from ultraviolet light, which would kill all land life and only the creatures of the deep under water would be able to survive. So, no, the crust would not have been fine.
3) Going against my opinion of their immediate death, those "freaks" would die eventually because they would run out of food either way.
4) 50 stories or "some shit" is not 1 to 2 miles deep.
5) It seems to me that you think I'm saying the Earth would be completely dead...I'm not. Human life would absolutely be extinguished is what I am saying. The Earth would eventually restore itself, and life in the oceans would continue going strong, but land animals and plants? Gone, until some animal in the ocean grows legs and walks out.
Originally posted by RobtardI know it is. I was trying to base my responses on his idea that the atmosphere would be fine, but now I realize that I went back and forth and made it quite confusing. I apologize. But changing my stance after further thought, the crust probably would be okay.
If the atmosphere is done away with, then ocean life dies too. It's a balance, sir. Hey, we'll always have bacteria.