Lu Bu -VS- Tadakatsu Honda

Started by Wei Phoenix3 pages

Himiko is an unfair monster.

She was my first death in the series.

Her burst will just melt away your life on the hard difficulties. I've been doing fine plenty of times then in comes that little smiling innocent and misguided girl to joyfully slay me.

I have to say, Orochi X's C4 is by far the most broken thing in the game. A full powered Big Star weapon plus multi combined with the moves inate ability to make him invulnerable and you have a recipe for broken. Add in stuff like Slay or Drain and you can slay even hardcore Chaos mode bosses and their entire escort in single moves.

Very true. I have a level 14 Orochi X that I can comfortably take on Hard missions if I chose. The boss form is a pain too because he blocks from all directions naturally which is annoying when you're weakened and confronting him on Hard mode.

Well, if we're talking about the strongest character in the game exclusively, then it surely has to be Xiahou Ba in WO3 and Diao Chan in WO1 & 2.

Gameplay-wise, Lu Bu's stats and moveset seem to above Tadakatsu now.
Though I have to say Tadakatsu's C4 is still one of my favorite moves in the entire Warriors series, even though it got nerfed in WO3 (the signature 4 slashes are not Charge attacks anymore).

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Well, if we're talking about the strongest character in the game exclusively, then it surely has to be Xiahou Ba in WO3 and Diao Chan in WO1 & 2.

Gameplay-wise, Lu Bu's stats and moveset seem to above Tadakatsu now.
Though I have to say Tadakatsu's C4 is still one of my favorite moves in the entire Warriors series, even though it got nerfed in WO3 (the signature 4 slashes are not Charge attacks anymore).

IIRC there is a way around that. Equip Brilliance to your weapon, and every attack has the elements attached to it. Makes swiss cheese out of everything tho 😛

Okay so slightly related, who do you think are the three worst characters? Based on my experience, Goemon takes the cake. He is as useless as a priest in a whorehouse. Magoichi, even though I think he is cool, is also a pain to use in a fight. And the third worst overall would probably be hrm.... I'm not sure come to think of it. Probably Ina, but not by the same margin as the other two. Even with agility, her bow attacks seem too ineffective against crowds and I cycled her out within two battles. And she had a four star weapon.

Dodomeki Especially when starting out. He is basically a scaled back Kotaru Fuuma.

And Zhurong Became nearly useless after losing her boomerangs.

Yeah, good points. Dodomeki in particular is a pain in the ass to use at lower levels, and needs some serious protection since his attacks are hard to use and he's not especially strong.

Zhurong I didn't have as much trouble with but I admit she is weaker than I remember. Yuanji seems to be pretty much Zhurong + 20.

I was experimenting with all-ninja groups, and Wang Yi seems to come out on top, although Ayane and Ryu are great for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Okay so slightly related, who do you think are the three worst characters?

1. Goemon Ishikawa
2. Magoichi Saika
3. Yoshimoto Imagawa

Special mentions:

Gyuki - his only saving grace is his JC
Gracia - terrible attack power and range at the start
Dodomeki - downgraded version of Kotaro

On another note, who do you think are the 3 most OP'd characters in WO3?

On this topic, who do you guys rate as the best duelers in the three kingdoms saga?

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
1. Goemon Ishikawa
2. Magoichi Saika
3. Yoshimoto Imagawa

Special mentions:

Gyuki - his only saving grace is his JC
Gracia - terrible attack power and range at the start
Dodomeki - downgraded version of Kotaro

On another note, who do you think are the 3 most OP'd characters in WO3?

Gracia is pretty bad, and I disagree on Yoshimoto. His combos are decent and his charge attacks, deceptively so. He strikes me as a lethal joke character.

The three most OP chars that I have experienced so far (And mind you I have only played off and on for two months and maxed three chars) would be Orochi X, Da Ji, and Nemea.

Orochi for obvious reasons, Da Ji has great crowd control, hits hard when she has a good big star weapon, and builds up her True Triple meter fast. Nemea's musuo around max level one-shots anything but Orochi X on Normal and takes chunks off of generals in Hard. His normal, charge charge combo does a shockwave that does good damage and tends to catch generals off guard. It makes mincemeat of mooks, as usual.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
On this topic, who do you guys rate as the best duelers in the three kingdoms saga?

Lu Bu
Zhang Liao
Ma Chao
Guan Yu
Xu Zhu

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Yeah, good points. Dodomeki in particular is a pain in the ass to use at lower levels, and needs some serious protection since his attacks are hard to use and he's not especially strong.

Zhurong I didn't have as much trouble with but I admit she is weaker than I remember. Yuanji seems to be pretty much Zhurong + 20.

I was experimenting with all-ninja groups, and Wang Yi seems to come out on top, although Ayane and Ryu are great for obvious reasons.

Wang Yi is closer to an assassin than a ninja.

Semantically speaking, sure. But playing style she's a Chinese ninja pretty much.

Wouldn't a Chinese ninja be an Assassin? Playing style she's more like a single target assassin from the games I've played her in. Both of her musous work best on single targets. Hell her air musous has her diving down on a single target and dealing a lot of damage. All of the ninjas in the game use things like clones, ninjutsu/ninpo and things like that. She has nothing in common with them outside of fast attacks in my opinion. She does use a sai though so I suppose that counts for something.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Lu Bu
Zhang Liao
Ma Chao
Guan Yu
Xu Zhu

Decent top 5, but Zhang Liao doesn't belong in it.

He never had an impressive duel. This was a guy who tied with Zhang He in a duel. He's upper tier, but not elite.

I got

Lu Bu
Zhang Fei
Pang De
Ma Chao
Guan Yu

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Wouldn't a Chinese ninja be an Assassin? Playing style she's more like a single target assassin from the games I've played her in. Both of her musous work best on single targets. Hell her air musous has her diving down on a single target and dealing a lot of damage. All of the ninjas in the game use things like clones, ninjutsu/ninpo and things like that. She has nothing in common with them outside of fast attacks in my opinion. She does use a sai though so I suppose that counts for something.

Hse's got some good AoE in WO3 and though her musuo is single target it hits everyone within striking distance anyways at the end. Her Speed role, and weapon choice make her a ninja archetype. Pretty much the only ninja type in the game who doesn't use short blades is Ryu who is a Power type. Nene is I think Technique but otherwise she is very similar as Ayane, Kunoichi, etc.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
On this topic, who do you guys rate as the best duelers in the three kingdoms saga?

Dian Wei
.....

Lu Bu
Zhang Fei
Wei Yan
Ma Chao

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Dian Wei
.....

Lu Bu
Zhang Fei
Wei Yan
Ma Chao

Historically, I can see why you'd put Dian Wei on top. Even with the lack of duels history, (like, maybe 4 instances altogether) the sheer physical feats should be telling enough, and Dian Wei's feats are without comparison.

Novel wise, he's probably just out of the top 5.

I have no idea why Wei Yan is up there though, especially if this is novel wise (I haven't read his historical bio). He's clearly high tier by reputation, but he doesn't have a lot of duels.

His most high profile duel was against Pang De, and Pang De pushed him back. Interestingly enough, Pang De is the only guy with two high quality dueling wins under his belt, everyone else has beaten no names or had stalemates. He beat Guan Yu and Wei Yan. Zhang Fei beat Xu Zhu twice, but in one situation it was after Xu Zhu and his men just barely escaped from a flood attack and in the other, Xu Zhu was drunk.