Wolverine and Elektra vs Gotham

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes but then why did you state that its was spite then? Taking that into consideration its not. Also lets mention that after Bane and Ras Al Ghul hes going to be even more cautious.

Even if they kidnap Batman theres no guarantee they will win because he would have planned for that also.

simply because the more and more post I read, it seemed as if you were setting Team Elektra up for the big win..ambushing him on a rooftop without any cleue that an invading force was in HIS city. All you did was give me clarification.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
OP stated INVADE, so from MY viewpoint they do it army style young man.

wow. been a long time since i been called that. even bada doesn't call me that...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
lol no I am actaing like a team with major prep can easily dispatch of batman before making them selves known the gothem.

his prep > theirs. 😛

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Are you serious? The point is that if his experience with dealing with organised crime will help him deal with the gangsters in Gotham.

In EOTS Hydra gave Wolverine tech and the whole superhero community was shitting their pants. The hellicarrier has useful tech.

experience is nice, but are you saying they're going to go after organised crime as well?

even bruce with all his resources can't do that...

How is it easier without Blade.

i said easier with.

Possibly but hand ninjas have really ****ed some people up they are not always canon fodder and it depends on how they're used.

true, i just see batman doing well, seeing as him and his wards have fought similar enemy crowds before (ra's ninjas for example).

not saying it'll be easy, but i don't see the hand ninjas being something bruce and co couldnt overcome...

Originally posted by Sin I AM
simply because the more and more post I read, it seemed as if you were setting Team Elektra up for the big win..ambushing him on a rooftop without any cleue that an invading force was in HIS city. All you did was give me clarification.

Nah he suspects something is going on he just doesnt know who they are and exactly what they're going to do. Microchip is a good hacker and with Stus help could do some damage but its highly unlikely that Batman would not detect anything.

However he cant physically do anything until they start their attack. Bare in mind im assuming the team will use all sorts of attacks eg ambush, hacking, making deals with gangs and corrupt police etc. Its not just about beating Batman its about bringing Gotham to its knees so they can take over. Like you said if you give Bats 5 mins on his home territory that could be all he needs....maybe giving him no prep was too much.

Originally posted by Raoul

experience is nice, but are you saying they're going to go after organised crime as well?

All im saying is that Wolverines experience will help him make deals with organised crime that is all. Im just saying its going to help.

Originally posted by Raoul
even bruce with all his resources can't do that...

That may be due to him being unwilling to use certain tactics eg killing and total disregard for the law.

Originally posted by Raoul

i said easier with.

My bad.

Originally posted by Raoul

true, i just see batman doing well, seeing as him and his wards have fought similar enemy crowds before (ra's ninjas for example).

not saying it'll be easy, but i don't see the hand ninjas being something bruce and co couldnt overcome...

True just thought id add my 2 cents.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
All im saying is that Wolverines experience will help him make deals with organised crime that is all. Im just saying its going to help.

i disagree, tbh. i just don't think the black hands and penguins are going to seriously get in to bed with wolverine. i mean, what happens afterwards? does logan take batman's place, or simply leave? why swap one vigilante for another?

That may be due to him being unwilling to use certain tactics eg killing and total disregard for the law.

if anything, i think batman's willingness to not go too far is something the villains appreciate...

I was talking to BH Raoul lol

I dont see the hand ninjas being anything other than a distraction, hell Red Hood could dispatch them all on his lonesome (Respect Jasn Todd!!). Unless they were disguised as civilians and infiltrated certain areas of city government, something along those lines....

There are too many variables to consider, i mean Black Mask, Joker, Hush, will be extremely difficult to deal with let alone the penguin and alll the gangs that'll be displeased with the new muscle moving in..I dont see anyone going over to Elektras side

Originally posted by Sin I AM
There are too many variables to consider, i mean Black Mask, Joker, Hush, will be extremely difficult to deal with let alone the penguin

....Why?

Then again, you're assuming they do this infantry style, right?

I had more in mind a black ops style, in which the Gotham bad guys get owned horrifically.

Originally posted by Raoul
i disagree, tbh. i just don't think the black hands and penguins are going to seriously get in to bed with wolverine. i mean, what happens afterwards? does logan take batman's place, or simply leave? why swap one vigilante for another?

For starters he can offer them things eg tech and equipment and promise them that they will make more money. Furthermore it doesnt even have to be specifically Penguin or Black Mask, theres bound to be some guys that will listen to Wolverine. Wolverine will surely be able to get some people to his cause.

Originally posted by Raoul

if anything, i think batman's willingness to not go too far is something the villains appreciate...

True but being more vicious may help as well, if they fear Wolverine more than Batman or vice versa...

P.S. Whats tbh?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
P.S. Whats tbh?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
For starters he can offer them things eg tech and equipment and promise them that they will make more money. Furthermore it doesnt even have to be specifically Penguin or Black Mask, theres bound to be some guys that will listen to Wolverine. Wolverine will surely be able to get some people to his cause.

what kind of tech can logan offer that they wouldn't have access to already?

black mask and penguin are the biggest, though. very few of the smaller gangs would go up against them, especially black mask. hell, jason todd with the full backing of talia al gul (sp) tried it, and still failed (due in part to batman, admittedly).

True but being more vicious may help as well, if they fear Wolverine more than Batman or vice versa...

i don't think fear is going to be that much of a motivator. it could be, but it's been tried before, and it didn't work out back then...

P.S. Whats tbh?

to be honest.

Originally posted by Enyalus
....Why?

Then again, you're assuming they do this infantry style, right?

I had more in mind a black ops style, in which the Gotham bad guys get owned horrifically.

That was before Phantom Zone clarified some things...anywho, if they try the Black Ops style as you suggested and creep in slitting throats in the darkness type of thing then that would be there best bet. Making their presence known could cause a war they have no way of winning. But it could also be detrimental, remember Batman's rogues are extremely crafty they have to be in otder to operate in his city, I dont see any major player that they could muscle, and honestly if i was a goon I'd fear Joker over Wolverine anyday.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
That was before Phantom Zone clarified some things...anywho, if they try the Black Ops style as you suggested and creep in slitting throats in the darkness type of thing then that would be there best bet. Making their presence known could cause a war they have no way of winning. But it could also be detrimental, remember Batman's rogues are extremely crafty they have to be in otder to operate in his city, I dont see any major player that they could muscle, and honestly if i was a goon I'd fear Joker over Wolverine anyday.

Well they're basically attacking an entire city filled with metahuman villains plus Batman and the Batman family with essentially 100 cannon fodder troops in The Hand ninjas, and three street/low-metas themselves. They've got to go in black ops style to win, and they'd be smart enough to realize that. SHIELD tech is better than virtually anything the Gotham boys can come up with, save for Oracle (if she's in this) and some of Bats' stuff.

I say they go for the kill, rather than negotiate alliances with Gotham's underground.

Killing isnt a very viable tactic imo, it'll draw WAY too much attention and "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" mantra goes a long way in that scenario. I think your overestimating Shield tech.

Originally posted by Raoul
what kind of tech can logan offer that they wouldn't have access to already?

black mask and penguin are the biggest, though. very few of the smaller gangs would go up against them, especially black mask. hell, jason todd with the full backing of talia al gul (sp) tried it, and still failed (due in part to batman, admittedly).

To be honest it could be argued that those guys if push came to shove could access the same tech but the argument could be made that Wolverine and co could make it more accessible. I cant comment on Black Mask but I havent seen Pengun with anything advanced really.

I guess there best bargaining chip could be information Microchip is one of the MUs best hackers and was able to hack into the Xmens computer (reavers had taken over the base) and he was just playing around.

Originally posted by Raoul

i don't think fear is going to be that much of a motivator. it could be, but it's been tried before, and it didn't work out back then...

Nah man Batman has used intimidation on Penguin and its worked. Im betting Wolverine and co will be more scarey but it could have the adverse affect.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Killing isnt a very viable tactic imo, it'll draw WAY too much attention

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I think your overestimating Shield tech.

😛

Originally posted by Enyalus
SHIELD tech is better than virtually anything the Gotham boys can come up with, save for Oracle (if she's in this) and some of Bats' stuff.

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I serioulsy doubt it. Batman has insane shit...hell Batman was like " Has my spaceship arrived from the factory." 😬

Im not saying a spaceship is uber tech but its nothing to Batman.

edit: Think it was a flying saucer actually.

Originally posted by Enyalus

You think Elektra, Blade, and Wolverine don't know how to dispose of bodies?

Did you see what Wolverine did with it during HoM as a SHIELD agent? Or what Nick Fury did in SI and before?

😛 [/B]

HOM never actually happened.....you cant use that as evidence. Its like using what a character dreamt about as proof.

you dont people will notice gangsters and metahuman villians all of a sudden DISAPPEARING, Gotham City is divided into sections of power as one character is annihilated that section is either assimilated or creates anew power. Someone will notice the fluctuation of a missing figurehead

Agreed.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
To be honest it could be argued that those guys if push came to shove could access the same tech but the argument could be made that Wolverine and co could make it more accessible. I cant comment on Black Mask but I havent seen Pengun with anything advanced really.

I guess there best bargaining chip could be information Microchip is one of the MUs best hackers and was able to hack into the Xmens computer (reavers had taken over the base) and he was just playing around.

information would be a valuable commodity. you're still asking them to go up against the Batman though. He's not just some guy in a suit to them. It's possible, i think, but they'd have to sweeten the deal a lot.

Nah man Batman has used intimidation on Penguin and its worked. Im betting Wolverine and co will be more scarey but it could have the adverse affect.

tis not the same, imo. batman doesn't threaten to gut them, he threatens to destroy their empires and rob them of their power.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
you dont people will notice gangsters and metahuman villians all of a sudden DISAPPEARING, Gotham City is divided into sections of power as one character is annihilated that section is either assimilated or creates anew power. Someone will notice the fluctuation of a missing figurehead

especially batman.

I can't really decide how this will go down to be honest. I'm pretty sure Wolverine and Elektra win handedly... but how is the question.

For one of the stealthiest (if not the stealthiest) people in Marvel and a man who has successfully infiltrated the Baxter Building, Wolverine isn't exactly subtle... I mean we are talking about a guy who rode a motorcycle off a skyscrapper onto a SHIELD Helicarrier. Does Wolverine want to play it cool and do a subtle take over? Because it seems more likely that day one he shows up on a roof top while Batman is patrol and puts the boots to him... which will likely have a higher success rate than Wolverine and Elektra poke their noses into Batman's business and giving him the paranoid bastard a heads up.