Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, he would heal, he would not completely blown apart in the first place, if that's what you're thinking.
Why not?
If Flash vibrated, through him entirely, as Flash is so fast, he can vibrate through each square inch of his body, multiple times (Does that sound wrong to everyone else as it does to me?), before Hulk can even heal a paper cut, there shouldn't be much left of him.
Originally posted by Mindset
What specific times has he flown?
Here's one.
Originally posted by Mindset
I don't recall you proving Wally was the best, but I don't hold that against you, it's hard to prove the impossible.Ground shaking = Wally's kyrptonite
Fact.
Bart used to look up to Wally, then he realized he was actually superior.
How is Wally not the best?
In what way, is Bart superior?
He needed a significant power boost, just to attempt to do what Wally West could already do, and would have done were it not for his children and wife. When he came back to this dimension because of the Legion, he got all the power Bart had either way.
He mainlines the Speed Force etc.
Just because Bart Allen can remember what he reads, doesn't mean he is superior. It's evident Wally West is the best. His called the fastest man who ever lived for a reason.
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Wally's kryptonite?
Be serious....
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusDurability + Healing factor means Hulk would not be completely blown apart.
Why not?If Flash vibrated, through him entirely, as Flash is so fast, he can vibrate through each square inch of his body, multiple times (Does that sound wrong to everyone else as it does to me?), before Hulk can even heal a paper cut, there shouldn't be much left of him.
Here's one.
Yea, I saw that from the other thread. He's not actually flying.
Got any scans where he is actually flying?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusBart has shown more speed force abilities than Wally, and at a much younger age.
How is Wally not the best?In what way, is Bart superior?
He needed a significant power boost, just to attempt to do what Wally West could already do, and would have done were it not for his children and wife. When he came back to this dimension because of the Legion, he got all the power Bart had either way.
He mainlines the Speed Force etc.
Just because Bart Allen can remember what he reads, doesn't mean he is superior. It's evident Wally West is the best. His called the fastest man who ever lived for a reason.
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Wally's kryptonite?
Be serious....
What power boost, are you talking about when he came back from the other dimension in IC? What was this power boost?
Originally posted by Mindset
Durability + Healing factor means Hulk would not be completely blown apart.Yea, I saw that from the other thread. He's not actually flying.
Got any scans where he is actually flying?
What is in you're opinion flying?
I mean, if you don't consider that flying, then what do you consider flying?
If he isn't flying, then what's he doing, sure he has some after images to the right but that's because he is incredibly fast and likes to move around. We can clearly see Wally West on the left as solid, and I don't see anything but air, below his feet.
A healing factor would be play a factor, but unfortunately, Wally would be able to do that to him before it even registers any damage.
Durability?
A punch from the Thing to World War Hulk's face, made him bleed profoundly for a time.
His durability isn't anything that's incredible.
Originally posted by Mindset
Bart has shown more speed force abilities than Wally, and at a much younger age.What power boost, are you talking about when he came back from the other dimension in IC? What was this power boost?
Wally has shown abilities Bart Allen hasn't either. So he can read and memorize what he has read. Nothing impressive.
He can make speed clones etc. but they are more of a liability than anything and with Wally being that fast, he doesn't need them either.
Bart Allen's heritage allowed him to have access at such a young age. That's all.
Did you not read the part where Bart Allen returned?
They had him absorb a part of the Speed Force, so he could try and do what was necessary.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI consider flying to be flying, and floating to be floating. 🙂
What is in you're opinion flying?I mean, if you don't consider that flying, then what do you consider flying?
If he isn't flying, then what's he doing, sure he has some after images to the right but that's because he is incredibly fast and likes to move around. We can clearly see Wally West on the left as solid, and I don't see anything but air, below his feet.
A healing factor would be play a factor, but unfortunately, Wally would be able to do that to him before it even registers any damage.
Durability?
A punch from the Thing to World War Hulk's face, made him bleed profoundly for a time.
His durability isn't anything that's incredible.
Got anymore scans of Wally flying?
Damage normally happens before you can register it, after the damage is done he would begin to heal.
Yea, pretty much everyone with good durability in Marvel bleed from much weaker attacks than they can actually take. Thor, Gladiator, etc.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWally got his powers young too, Bart is just more skilled than he is. Wally is so fast he doesn't need speedforce clones...what? If that's the case then you could say the same for Bart, I don't see how speed is relevant, though. Not that that takes away from the fact that it is an ability Bart has that Wally doesn't.
Wally has shown abilities Bart Allen hasn't either. So he can read and memorize what he has read. Nothing impressive.He can make speed clones etc. but they are more of a liability than anything and with Wally being that fast, he doesn't need them either.
Bart Allen's heritage allowed him to have access at such a young age. That's all.
Did you not read the part where Bart Allen returned?
They had him absorb a part of the Speed Force, so he could try and do what was necessary.
Yea, I did read the part when Bart returned, all I remember him getting is Barry's suit.
Got a scan or comic number of what you're talking about?
Originally posted by Mindset
I consider flying to be flying, and floating to be floating. 🙂Got anymore scans of Wally flying?
Damage normally happens before you can register it, after the damage is done he would begin to heal.
Yea, pretty much everyone with good durability in Marvel bleed from much weaker attacks than they can actually take. Thor, Gladiator, etc.
He was obviously flying. We even see after images, showing he is was moving about the place, and was not just floating.
I have scans of him running space, launching himself into the air, and flying.
After the damage was done, Hulk would be a stain on the floor.
Flash can vibrate through every square inch of his body multiple times. Including his head etc.
I seriously doubt Hulk will be able to come back after all that. The best you could hope for is that he will be able to eventually come back, and by that time, he should be considered knocked out.
People with good durability don't bleed profoundly, and have a nose resembling like a crunched chip after being punched in the face once by someone like the Thing or She-Hulk.
Originally posted by Mindset
Wally got his powers young too, Bart is just more skilled than he is. Wally is so fast he doesn't need speedforce clones...what? If that's the case then you could say the same for Bart, I don't see how speed is relevant, though. Not that that takes away from the fact that it is an ability Bart has that Wally doesn't.Yea, I did read the part when Bart returned, all I remember him getting is Barry's suit.
Got a scan or comic number of what you're talking about?
How in the hell is Bart Allen more skilled than Wally West in terms of their powers?
You could say the same for Bart, hence why that ability isn't relevant with beings of their speed.
Wally West has abilities Bart Allen doesn't have either. Wally West is just superior. His more than Bart Allen is, plain and simple.
Why do you debate when you haven't read the arc?
He absorbed a part of the Speed Force so that he could travel back into the other dimension and warn everybody.
Wally West returned, and took all the extra boost Bart Allen had. He mainlines the Speed Force. Wally West, is the best. The moment he came back, Bart Allen, lost what he gained in extra power.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusMaybe obvious to you, but he was ,in fact, floating.
He was obviously flying. We even see after images, showing he is was moving about the place, and was not just floating.I have scans of him running space, launching himself into the air, and flying.
After the damage was done, Hulk would be a stain on the floor.
Flash can vibrate through every square inch of his body multiple times. Including his head etc.
I seriously doubt Hulk will be able to come back after all that. The best you could hope for is that he will be able to eventually come back, and by that time, he should be considered knocked out.
People with good durability don't bleed profoundly, and have a nose resembling like a crunched chip after being punched in the face once by someone like the Thing or She-Hulk.
Yea, I'm aware he can launch himself in the air, but once their he can not maneuver like someone who has the ability to fly.
Barring the fact the Flash wouldn't even do that, I still doubt he could...now on to the durability, since that is one of the factors why I think he couldn't.
*sigh* Hulk took less damage from Juggs hits than when he was hit by Thing, according to you, I don't actually remember Thing doing that much damage to Hulk. Honestly, you are gauging Hulk's durability off of one instance?
Shame on you.
Originally posted by Mindset
Maybe obvious to you, but he was ,in fact, floating.Yea, I'm aware he can launch himself in the air, but once their he can not maneuver like someone who has the ability to fly.
Barring the fact the Flash wouldn't even do that, I still doubt he could...now on to the durability, since that is one of the factors why I think he couldn't.
How the hell was he only floating?
He was clearly moving around etc.
He launched himself, and was able to speed blitz his opponent multiple times. He had definite maneuverability. Just like Johny Quick. Theoretically they all have the ability to fly like Johny Quick. Wally West takes the most advantage off this ability.
Originally posted by Mindset
*sigh* Hulk took less damage from Juggs hits than when he was hit by Thing, according to you, I don't actually remember Thing doing that much damage to Hulk. Honestly, you are gauging Hulk's durability off of one instance?Shame on you.
The Thing punched him, and the Hulk was bleeding. She-Hulk punched him and Hulk was bleeding. One hits from both to the face, and he was pouring out blood for like 3 entire pages.
I'm not basing my opinion on only one situation. The Hulk has crappy durability currently.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusUmm, it is relevant, it shows another ability Bart has with the speedforce that Wally doesn't.
How in the hell is Bart Allen more skilled than Wally West in terms of their powers?You could say the same for Bart, hence why that ability isn't relevant with beings of their speed.
Wally West has abilities Bart Allen doesn't have either. Wally West is just superior. His more than Bart Allen is, plain and simple.
Why do you debate when you haven't read the arc?
He absorbed a part of the Speed Force so that he could travel back into the other dimension and warn everybody.
Wally West returned, and took all the extra boost Bart Allen had. He mainlines the Speed Force. Wally West, is the best. The moment he came back, Bart Allen, lost what he gained in extra power.
What abilites does Wally have that Bart doesn't? Bart is just better, sorry man.
Lol, nice attempt at trying to say I didn't read it, when I clearly told you that I did read it, I just didn't remember, obviously I did read it since I remembered Barry giving Bart his suit. Please try to just stick to debating, if that's possible. 🙂
But anyway, as I thought Bart didn't actually get a power boost, he had to absorb the speed force to get back BEFORE PRIME, he didn't need it to get back, which is exactly the same thing Wally would have had to do. I don't know where you were going with this one.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusLook up the definition of floating, now look at the scan, that's how he's floating.
How the hell was he only floating?He was clearly moving around etc.
He launched himself, and was able to speed blitz his opponent multiple times. He had definite maneuverability. Just like Johny Quick. Theoretically they all have the ability to fly like Johny Quick. Wally West takes the most advantage off this ability.
The Thing punched him, and the Hulk was bleeding. She-Hulk punched him and Hulk was bleeding. One hits from both to the face, and he was pouring out blood for like 3 entire pages.
I'm not basing my opinion on only one situation. The Hulk has crappy durability currently.
Yes, we both agree he can launch himself. I believe the word you are looking for is finite, he has limited maneuverability because he can't actually fly. Theoretically I could beat an entire allstar team of basketball players in a game.
I'm sorry, you have two instances of She Hulk and Thing making him pour out blood, I guess that matches my two instances of Juggs causing less damage to him, not to mention his past fights, such as the one with Gladiator.
