Originally posted by jinzinhe beat them by ripping through them, the fight wasn't a testament to sabretooths speed rather his tactical genius.
Does it even really matter?
Sinister's Supermen already showed us what happens to people who regularly DO use superspeed while fighting against Sabretooth, and it wasn't pretty. Same thing for the Starbrand. 😬
Originally posted by Trackzhe's only ever used speed against superman to any noticeable degree once.. and it's like.. his only speed feat. 😬
..you can brawl and still use super speed, as an example he brawls against superman and yet he is still moving faster than him.
You CAN brawl while fighting at superspeeds.. but he doesn't.. that's the issue.
Originally posted by Trackz
he beat them by ripping through them, the fight wasn't a testament to sabretooths speed rather his tactical genius.
The same can be said for lobo since lobo doesnt have not one speed feat putting him on the level of speed of almost ANYONE mentioned in the top tier range that you all brought up.
Originally posted by jinzinit's hard to tell, readers depend on artist interpretation of what speed should look like in a fight to suggest whether or not the character is moving fast. with no text had you read the panel you would think that lobo had no superspeed and rather he was simply overpowering superman. If a character is able to exchange blows with another character of notable speed, why would you assume they are fighting any slower.
he's only ever used speed against superman to any noticeable degree once.. and it's like.. his only speed feat. 😬You CAN brawl while fighting at superspeeds.. but he doesn't.. that's the issue.
superman has had fights in which it seems that he is brawling at a slow pace, yet it is stated that he is going around multiple times during the fight, just because Lobo's fights don't take place in a blur,doesn't mean they aren't fast.
comparatively sentry rarely is shown to have combat speed, while wolverine has plenty of feats with combat speed, when the two fought however, it was clearly shown that wolverine was unable ot move fast enough to pose a threat to the sentry.
Originally posted by Trackz
it's hard to tell, readers depend on artist interpretation of what speed should look like in a fight to suggest whether or not the character is moving fast. with no text had you read the panel you would think that lobo had no superspeed and rather he was simply overpowering superman. If a character is able to exchange blows with another character of notable speed, why would you assume they are fighting any slower.superman has had fights in which it seems that he is brawling at a slow pace, yet it is stated that he is going around multiple times during the fight, just because Lobo's fights don't take place in a blur,doesn't mean they aren't fast.
comparatively sentry rarely is shown to have combat speed, while wolverine has plenty of feats with combat speed, when the two fought however, it was clearly shown that wolverine was unable ot move fast enough to pose a threat to the sentry.
All of this is irrelevant since superman fight like a brick majority of the time. If what you said is true, every brick in dc has super speed. Hell if what you said is true, hulk moves beyond light speed.
Originally posted by Trackz
it's hard to tell, readers depend on artist interpretation of what speed should look like in a fight to suggest whether or not the character is moving fast. with no text had you read the panel you would think that lobo had no superspeed and rather he was simply overpowering superman. If a character is able to exchange blows with another character of notable speed, why would you assume they are fighting any slower.superman has had fights in which it seems that he is brawling at a slow pace, yet it is stated that he is going around multiple times during the fight, just because Lobo's fights don't take place in a blur,doesn't mean they aren't fast.
comparatively sentry rarely is shown to have combat speed, while wolverine has plenty of feats with combat speed, when the two fought however, it was clearly shown that wolverine was unable ot move fast enough to pose a threat to the sentry.
he hasn't even REMOTELY looked fast while fighting Lobo and when he does pick up any visable degree of speed Lobo usually ends up sailing. 😬
And what the hell are you talking about on the Sentry thing? Wolverine was doing fine in terms of his fighting speed, he simply couldn't damage/cut Sentry... At no point did he look helpless in his speed.
Originally posted by jinzin
Oh c'mon man. Even guys like Spidey and Venom get afterimages etc etc.
When Superman turns up the juice we've seen his background go anime his afterimages so fast it looks like clones of Supes are all over someone....he hasn't even REMOTELY looked fast while fighting Lobo and when he does pick up any visable degree of speed Lobo usually ends up sailing. 😬
And what the hell are you talking about on the Sentry thing? Wolverine was doing fine in terms of his fighting speed, he simply couldn't damage/cut Sentry... At no point did he look helpless in his speed.
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Originally posted by carver9except that he's beaten them and can stay with them in fights. which means he has fighting speed close to them.
The same can be said for lobo since lobo doesnt have not one speed feat putting him on the level of speed of almost ANYONE mentioned in the top tier range that you all brought up.
Originally posted by Trackz
except that he's beaten them and can stay with them in fights. which means he has fighting speed close to them.
Except that superman, captain marvel, etc... fight like bricks and doesnt use 1% of the speed that they have against lobo. Answer this, since we're going by that and wolverine has reacted fast enough to hit surfer, is wolverine as fast as silver surfer? 😕
Your logic is stupid and it doesnt make sense. Please stop.
Originally posted by jinzinnot all the time, there are times when supermans turns up his speed and we don't see this, when he was fighting darkseid to the sun, there is no indication he is using his super speed until they arrive at th su nafter several minutes, incidently, blurs/after images are just a way for an artist to show super speed, they don't mean a character is or isn't moving with super speed though, (the same can be seen in superman and wonder womans fight)
Oh c'mon man. Even guys like Spidey and Venom get afterimages etc etc.
When Superman turns up the juice we've seen his background go anime his afterimages so fast it looks like clones of Supes are all over someone....he hasn't even REMOTELY looked fast while fighting Lobo and when he does pick up any visable degree of speed Lobo usually ends up sailing. 😬
And what the hell are you talking about on the Sentry thing? Wolverine was doing fine in terms of his fighting speed, he simply couldn't damage/cut Sentry... At no point did he look helpless in his speed.
not at all, heck superman has stated lobo has moved too fast for him to react on occasion.
and no he wasn't he tried to slash at sentry sentry caught his arm and knocked him out..not much of a fight, sentry wasn't even trying.
Originally posted by Trackz
not all the time, there are times when supermans turns up his speed and we don't see this, when he was fighting darkseid to the sun, there is no indication he is using his super speed until they arrive at th su nafter several minutes, incidently, blurs/after images are just a way for an artist to show super speed, they don't mean a character is or isn't moving with super speed though, (the same can be seen in superman and wonder womans fight)not at all, heck superman has stated lobo has moved too fast for him to react on occasion.
and no he wasn't he tried to slash at sentry sentry caught his arm and knocked him out..not much of a fight, sentry wasn't even trying.
Superman has said the same thing about darkseid and hundred other people. Superman tends to underrate himself alot when we all know that he should be able to whip lobos ass.