Originally posted by Original Smurph
Yes, we have. He traded blows with Gladiator way back when, with no edge to either side, and he's taken Gladiator by surprise recently, where he was only defeated when Glads got help.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
All of this isn't to show that Black Bolt would win in a hand to hand fight, that would be ludicrous. As long as Black Bolt can withstand a single punch, however, he can make an electron shield. Even if Majestros needed to pull out his sword to try to cut through it, or while Majestros is trying to cut through it and counter Black Bolt's ridiculous electron control, then Black Bolt has time to speak.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
What this means is that unless Majestic can and would take Black Bolt out in a single punch every single match, Black Bolt wins. He put Majestic in an electron field so that Majestic can't move, he can shield himself and just recreate shields as Majestros cuts through them.
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/7936/vhulk37dh.jpg
Looks as though that electron shield wouldn't be able to hold Hulk for long. Which matches what we've seen with other electron shields previously (Magneto comes to mind.) Majestic starts out at a level far beyond what Hulk has ever reached, so I can see him shattering BlackBolt's binding shield within no time. As for a defensive shield, yeah, no doubt BB could just make new ones. Assuming BB has enough distance between himself and the shield so that when it gets cut it won't actually reach him and take his head off. This is also assuming that BlackBolt can put up high-durability electron shields faster than Majestic can take them down...which I find unlikely since, if he needs to, he's got virtually light-speed combat reaction time as already shown. And that's what it pretty much boils down to with Majestic. If he needs to do something, he's going to do it. He had no real need to fight with nanosecond speed in many of his fights. But hitting Hadrian, a teleporter, out of midair? Needed it. Ditto with using his speed at all in combat, as he does when taking on Nemesis and Zealot simultaneously:
If you're curious at all about the first scan and what happened with Warblade...basically, Ladytron punched at Majestic, but had Warblade on her...he went into his nostrils and attempted to destroy Maj from the inside. Didn't work, of course, and Majestic as you can see wasn't even cut. That in itself is quite a feat, because:
Warblade can make his living metal 'infinitely sharp' – enough to easily cut the alien metal Captain Atom is wrapped in....Hell, not that that matters, though:
Originally posted by Original Smurph
As I'll look at later, Blackagar's voice is a OHKO in this match. This means that if he isn't taken out right away, he can and would take the enemy out.So, anyways, Black Bolt rips through the skrulls fleet. Easily. No hesitation, no holding back.
1. http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/StarBlast-02-15.jpg
2. http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/StarBlast-02-16.jpg
3. http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/StarBlast-02-20.jpg
Originally posted by Original Smurph
There Black Bolt shows that he can use his powers to provide enough energy to easily break C.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Black Bolt has taken punches from top tiers and gotten right back up. It's clear that his blunt force durability is easily good enough to take one punch. After that point, as long as he makes a shield and then matter manips, speaks, messes with the brain or CNS of his opponent or any of his other tricks, he can win.
Let's recap: Majestic has superior speed, combat speed, the ridiculous edge in strength, the edge in combat experience and H2H skill (I know BB has been trained by Karnak, but Majestic is still superior and I can prove it if the point needs to be argued), gets his Kheran armor and sword as standard equipment (proven [I hope] later), and generously roughly equal in durability. I say roughly equal because Maj has survived an explosion which totally destroyed the Earth and the moon, point blank, without a scratch on him. However, he doesn't have many more 'uber' feats in that area:
Now, the only thing that Blackbolt seems to have the advantage on is destructive energy output, most of which is theoretical and/or speculative, since a scream has never actually been seen on panel. Safe to say its planetary in scale, though, right? Meh, nothing new for Majestic, who has beyond planetary scale feats....with his “laser” vision!
As you can see in the scan, created a massive star and sculpted it using his laser vision. Huge power output right there. That's more powerful than anything Blackbolt has done on panel without an outside amp. So he has him beat in that department, too. But not only is it physically destructive, it can be used to alter the entire chemical composition at a 'pre-atomic' level of Jupiter, a planet over 300 times larger than Earth, nearly instantly:
Yes, that's right – Majestic's laser vision has matter manipulation capabilities, on a plus-size planetary scale!
Originally posted by Original Smurph
You say he won't be able to affect Majestic's CNS because it's foreign, but here Black Bolt completely cuts off the power from Mandarin's rings- which is very alien technology.
1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Majestic_lv_erads2.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Majestic_lv_erads3.jpg
3.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Majestic_lv_erads1.jpg
4.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Majestic_lv_erads4.jpg
He rewrites Eradicator's synthetic biology faster than light (billions of process per second, faster than photonic pulses fire), granting him the ability to map out the entire multiverse. He basically made Erads into a sentient version of Starman's suit. And it took three Braniacs, 31st century alien tech, and who knows how many hours or days of prep for them to do that. That puts Majestic's intelligence and thought processing speed well above Superman or Braniac. Just for the lulz.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Majestic has no counter to any of these. The only possibility that Eny has raised is the idea that he could cut through Black Bolt's voice with his sword- but BB's voice is not like an energy blast that can be cut through.It's just pure, undetectable, unblockable destruction. Everything in the vicinity explodes, gets wrecked, atomizes.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Majestic_nanoreact.jpg
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Oh, and while I'm rambling, I had another interesting point to raise. If Majestros gets too close, Blackagar can simply blast him away.Like a jedi using force blasts, only ridiculously more potent.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
But, regardless of the fact that the sword wouldn't work, it's also questionable whether he even has it- hasn't Majestic only had, like, 3 appearances with that sword? Punisher recently appeared with what looked like Ant-Man's helmet. I'm not going to claim that's standard equipment for him.
The armor he's had for the past – at least – 8 issues, dating back to '06.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Black Bolt's voice, concentrated by Reed's device designed to optimize power output, overloaded Dr. Doom when he had the power of a Watcher.Black Bolt's voice powered Reed's machine to rip open time/space, in order to tear a whole in every dimension of 616 reality.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Black Bolt's whisper has KO'd Gladiator and Hulk. Hulk, twice, I believe.
1. http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/StarBlast-02-15.jpg
2. http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/StarBlast-02-16.jpg
3. http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/StarBlast-02-20.jpg
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Black Bolt's voice WTFpwned a barrier that Skrull nukes couldn't scratch.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Medusa fears that Black Bolt speaking would obliterate half the planet- meanwhile, Black Bolt utters something into the planet that shakes continents and sets off volcanoes on the other side.
Check out how casual his laser vision is being used here, and yet it blows up a good sized portion of the planet:
1.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_bleedgate1.jpg
2.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_bleedgate2.jpg
3.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_bleedgate3.jpg
Here he is vaporizing daemonites on Khera who had just finished slaughtering the Coda and were about to kill Zealot:
Blows a hole through this one's head:
And I've already shown his laser vision affect all of Jupiter almost instantly, as well as create and shape a star from it. Let's show maybe some other fun things. Him fighting on easily even after being wounded by the only things that can cut him:
And now maybe for some other, cute things against better known characters. Here, he ends up in Metropolis without any currency. What's he do? He crushes a pencil into diamond. Keep in mind that Thor thought he did this once with coal...but it was a telepathic illusion. Majestic? All real:
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_str_diamonds.jpg
Supes' stops by to thank him for fixing the ozone layer and...perhaps shifting a continental plate?
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_Supes_convo.jpg
This is showing off his superior strength in a different way...a wormhole/blackhole opens up. The pull is tremendous obviously. Notice especially how even though Majestic is the closest to it, it is Eradicator who is having serious trouble. Not only that, but Erads is being shown blurred and distorted, while Majestic's body is fine (3-4):
1.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_wormhole1.jpg
2.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_wormhole2.jpg
3.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_wormhole3.jpg
4.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_wormhole4.jpg
5.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_wormhole5.jpg
This is against Captain Atom. First, notice how Captain Atom is flying at his absolute fastest, yet Maj easily catches and surpasses him, and takes his punch like its nothing. Ownage ensues:
1.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_vs_CA_speed.jpg
2.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_vs_CAv1_1.jpg
3.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_vs_CAv1_2.jpg
4.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_vs_CAv1_3.jpg
Here, he's utterly unconcerned with Superboy while owning Steel's Niece (who is wearing armor powered by Imperiex Prime) and Eradicator again:
1.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_vs_ConnerErads1.jpg
2.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_vs_ConnerErads2.jpg
3.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_vs_ConnerErads3.jpg
4.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_vs_ConnerErads4.jpg
5.http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_vs_ConnerErads5.jpg
Still in Metropolis he has to deal with a few members of Superman's rouge's gallary...Shakedown, Heatstroke, and Coldsnap. Who all go down in literally two pages:
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_Shakedown_Heatstroke_Coldsnap1.jpg
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_Shakedown_Heatstroke_Coldsnap2.jpg
And when the heroes go into the WS universe looking for the Ray Palmer, they get into a little tussle with the Authority. Kyle's a bit on the ropes against Apollo, and his construct is even cracking from the blows. Who stops Apollo's next punch? None other than the Kheran badass:
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_vs_Apollo1.jpg
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_vs_Apollo2.jpg
Heh. Before this occurred and while still in the mainstream DCU, apparently Majestic had owned Ion so badly that he took his ring! No worries...He gives it to Superman to return it:
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Maj_Kyle_ownage1.jpg
😛
Majestic takes this fight. Faster, stronger, superior fighter, superior intellect, invulnerable aura, incredible blade, massive destructive energy output, and even reality manipulation abilities.
i assume this is done. anyway, nice job by both. i knew most of what bolt could do and that's why i thought this would be a good battle. i THOUGHT i knew enough about majestros, but kudos to enyalus on a great job of showcasing many feats i'd never seen before and for putting together some really strong and convincing posts. i was very impressed. 🙂
i started off thinking majestros takes about 7/10. after seeing some of his feats, i might go higher even. the scream is ALWAYS a possibilty but it seems to me that might be the ONLY chance. i agree with eny that a whisper might do damage but i don't think it would take out majestros, just like it didn't completely take out glads at uber-close range. given basic knowledge of each other, majestros is clearly smart enough NOT to get in too close. his vision powers are FAR greater than i thought they were, and his speed advantage is far too great as well. bb might get a shield up, but if he does, can he use his voice through it? his shield is about the only thing that seems like it might keep him alive from either the sword, the vision OR just being pummelled at nano-second speed.
i think it is fair to say bb might manipulate the electrons in majestros, but i'm not sure he'd be able to do so fully or completely right from the start given majestros's alien biology.
smurph did a great job of showcasing his boy, but i think in this debate bb was simply outgunned by someone who, frankly, is a lot more powerful than i had thought he was. thanks for the entertainment gents. that was a nice demonstration of what a kmc debate SHOULD look like. 😉
Originally posted by leonidasi had to ask, can't really judge with conviction if some rules aren't established.
in these type of debates they always are.
and yeah, definitely a sick match, both debators brought heat.
ok, going with eny/mr. majestic here.
blackbolt is a very enigmatic character with holding back as the root of his character, the downside of that is there aren't a lot of balls-to-the-walls feats for smurph to choose from to beat a guy like majestros without looking like he's making shit up.
the scream is an asset that most likely MUST happen to give this to bb, but the effect of that event is still an unknown. for all we know it might shake loose the electrons from all the atoms in the solar system. or just the proportionate level of damage by using the sonic difference between a one syllable word and a full man yell. we do know a whisper can rock a us battle cruiser, and a word can take out a mountain(s) who can say you know? *
blackbolt has the offense to possibly win (electron manip, etc) but, it just seems that majestic will be on bb quickly, giving him hell before he can get fancy on his ass.
(* this all might very well change after "war of kings" concludes)
cool, cool.
no need to get a third judge then.
tbh, I'm not surprised. I knew back when I picked Black Bolt that I wouldn't back him up in an actual vs. match, but I wanted to challenge myself, and defs wasn't dissapointed. i liked that the match was fairly casual too, without usual tourney match tenseness or bickering on either side.
thanks for the match eny. I'd gladly rematch you at any point.
Originally posted by EnyalusAre you using that Namor scan as proof of that, or is it stated/shown elsewhere?
Nice scan. But, he gets rocked backwards from a punch by Thing. And Namor is nowhere near the Hulk's or Majestic's level.
Durability-wise, Maj has taken a shot directly to the face from Maul before, without so much as flinching:
And strengthwise, Namor/Hulk/Thing/etc. are no where close. How about moving all of the planets in the solar system, as well as catching and redirecting a comet, as well as casually moving around the largest asteroids in the asteroid belt (most of which are made purely of iron ore...meaning they're friggin' heavy.)
And a more recent example has him explicitly moving the Earth back onto its axis, proving those earlier feats of his and his strength hasn't been retconned:
That's assuming Majestic is standing still or that Black Bolt will be fast enough to track/react to encasing him in that field. Which he won't be.
Majestic's so fast he basically appears to be in four different places on Earth at the same time (1), sustained FTL speeds for four straight months without stopping (2-3), was so fast that he appeared to be everywhere at once (4), and has on-panel nanosecond H2H speed (5).
1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Majestic_speed1.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Majestic_speed2.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Majestic_speed3.jpg
4. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Majestic_speed4.jpg
5. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Majestic_nanoreact.jpg😬 BB is so not screaming. A whisper, sure. Even when he was being tortured by skrulls and his family was in danger, he only let out a whisper. Not in his character to scream.
Kherans have a different nervous system makeup (I have scans if you want/need proof), which I'm sure would throw BB off. He's also resisted fairly high-end magical matter manipulation.
Since we're using current versions (I would guess), that would also mean that standard equipment is in play. And Majestic's standard equipment is Kheran warlord armor, creation engine blade (capable of slicing through anything, sharp enough to shave the rough edges off of an electron), and whatever the hell this electrical disruption mace thingy is (2):
1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Majestros_weapons1.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Majestros_weapons3.jpgNah. Majestros speedblitzes FTW:
(Joking. Funny, right?) [/B]
That not Majestic that Lord Imperator another Kherubim warlord.
