Video Debate: Young Earth vs. Old Earth

Originally posted by Da Pittman

So ushomefree I'm not about to watch all of it but I do wonder what the Young Earth guy says about how the light that we see from other galaxies takes billions of years to reach us but the universe is only 6,000 years old? Does this guy think that the speed of light is BS?

Inwardly no; outwardly yes! Let me explain, please. Kent Hovind, who is stubborn man, in my opinion, presses the notion that the speed of light (in the finite past) was different. Mr. Hovind knows that the speed of light has always been constant, but he tries to circumvent the problem with obscured objections. The speed of light may have been different in the finite past, but current science, does not support the view. And Mr. Hovind knows this all to well. He is being stubborn.

Originally posted by ushomefree
Inwardly no; outwardly yes! Let me explain, please. Kent Hovind, who is stubborn man, in my opinion, presses the notion that the speed of light (in the finite past) was different. Mr. Hovind knows that the speed of light has always been constant, but he tries to circumvent the problem with obscured objections. The speed of light may have been different in the finite past, but current science, does not support the view. And Mr. Hovind knows this all to well. He is being stubborn.

Originally posted by Digi
Fair enough...

The average KMC poster doesn't have an hour+ to spend watching a series of videos on a topic that they likely already have a basic understanding of and have formed an opinion on. If you want to engage people in debate without being trolled, you're going to have to take a few points that you think are valid or interesting from the videos, put them into your own words, and present them in a way that doesn't scream "Here, watch this" but rather "Here's a few things I think, why don't we talk about them some?" and use it as a jumping off point for discussion.

If you want people to invest their time into something, anything (including KMC discussion), you have to give them valid reasons to want to pursue it. It would be like a teacher throwing Shakespeare at kids and telling them to read, instead of first introducing the topic, providing some introductory exercises, and finding ways to engage them with the material before beginning, or helping them to connect the work to their own lives. I've seen the first kind of teacher. Nobody likes those teachers.

OE ftw.

Originally posted by ushomefree
To all members of the forum-

First, please relax. Get a grip amongst yourselves.

Heh. We're calm as sh*t, dude. We're just trying to help you see some reason.

You're still not going to get responses until you change your tactics. I wasn't giving you that advice to attack you. I was giving it because it's true.

Originally posted by ushomefree
If no one is interested in this thread, so be it. If that is truly the case, I'm no longer interested. Understand? I'm not perfect, but I try to bring a different perspective to this forum (while communicating my views). Some of you, have got me all wrong.

With all said, let's hit the reset button and start over. Watch the video post (or do not)! Feel free to comment or don't. I do not care. However, if someone presents a question, comment and/or concern to me, I will answer to the best of my knowledge. Other than that, let it go!

Now who needs to relax? People would indeed be interested in talking, ushome. You just have to present it differently. I'm ironically trying to help you reach more people. God must have a sense of humor.

😉

Originally posted by Mindship
No wonder you're a moderator. 😎

OE ftw.

Yeah, that's how I roll.

😎

VIDEO FAIL!

Ush, I'd love to respond to you, but I never feel you take equal time to respond to me. It makes me feel unwelcome 🙁

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I'm aware of the VSL theory but even that wouldn't fit into a model of a 6,000 old universe, light would have to be slowing down in an exponential rate for light from the distant galaxies to reach use and then to keep its current speed. Then that would mean that the speed of light would have to stop slowing down for us not to see this change when calculating the speed of light.

Steelers suck!

*runs away*

Originally posted by Da Pittman
So ushomefree I'm not about to watch all of it but I do wonder what the Young Earth guy says about how the light that we see from other galaxies takes billions of years to reach us but the universe is only 6,000 years old? Does this guy think that the speed of light is BS?

That'd be Dr. Schroeder; he uses time dilation/frames of reference to rationalize differences in biblical and scientific timelines. It doesn't work, but it is interesting. (I think it doesn't work. I'm not very fluent in physics [yet].)

http://www.aish.com/societyWork/sciencenature/Age_of_the_Universe.asp

Originally posted by Ordo
VIDEO FAIL!

Ush, I'd love to respond to you, but I never feel you take equal time to respond to me. It makes me feel unwelcome 🙁

Steelers suck!

*runs away*

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
That'd be Dr. Schroeder; he uses time dilation/frames of reference to rationalize differences in biblical and scientific timelines. It doesn't work, but it is interesting. (I think it doesn't work. I'm not very fluent in physics [yet].)

http://www.aish.com/societyWork/sciencenature/Age_of_the_Universe.asp

Adam & Eve

YouTube video

Spamming 😠

It's a joke! Relax. 🙂

^so is creationism. relax!