Cell vs. Broly

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Words and actions are two very different things 😬(not going by video games since they aren't source material)...Still, he could have it, he learnt the Kamehameha iirc.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I thought it was more of a receive factor, since Goku had to ask people to give him energy.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I don't think people are going to give Cell energy, considering his personality.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I see. Ahh well, my mistake, read about SSJ Goku not being able to use SB at one time since SSJ was malicious or something like that.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True, but Goku couldn't shield himself, unlike Broly who could, he wouldn't lose any cells with that kind of a shield.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Though, have to agree, if he gained Broly's Cells, he'd most likely reach a completely new level, perhaps one that could challenge Vegito.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Even then, Broly's pretty much pissed off anyways 😐, Goku being around just takes it to a new level. Can't blame him for hating Goku though, a baby crying non-stop like he did, enough to drive anyone crazy.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Indeed. Anyone you are playing against will most likely just forfeit anyway, unless they are good enough to counter, which is the only way to consistently stop that tactic.

And yeah, of course it's good against AI opponents.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Well duh. The Kamehameha was practically Cell's most used technique. Ironically though, he only used Vegeta's Gallic Gun once.

Seeing villains use Kamehameha never took well with me >__>. It's like seeing Goku breath fire like Hirudegarn.

Gallic Gun? Ahh, good times.

It, imo, seemed way cooler than the Final Flash when it first appeared.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
And there wasn't anyone on Namek to give Goku energy, besides Bulma, Krillen, kid Gohan, and Piccolo. Thus, fail strategy.

True. Wonder why Frieza couldn't deflect it though.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
IIRC, Cell can always just use the voice/personality of someone he's absorbed, like how he used Android 17's voice in an attempt to trick 18.

I see. The thing is, it takes a lot of time. Something I'm not sure is on his side wrt SB if he's up against Broly.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah. I used to think that too until the Kid Buu saga.

What happened that made you change your mind? (I forgot the specifics, it's been a long time, so yeah)

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Well, there's also the possibility that Broly will attack Cell as he grows large in preparation for his desperation move, not knowing that he'll blow up on him upon contact, and so Broly won't have enough time to think to use his shield 131, just as how Goku didn't have enough time to escape Cell's explosion after he transported him to King Kai's planet.

Who knows, Broly may just be that insane/dumb.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Perhaps. He could definitely beat any form of Buu though, methinks.

He'd beat Super Buu (w/Gohan as his source of power) many times over. iirc, he was more powerful than the Kid Buu version. Not too sure on that though. Kid Buu was psychopathic though. More so than Super.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
You mean the online? I was under the impression that it was just full of kids who think they can beat you were their SSJ4 Gogeta 😬, but yeah. I doubt most of 'em can even counter well enough to cancel out that 2nd form Cell combo you mentioned.

And yeah, of course it's good against AI opponents.

I can't play online (I have the PS2 version)...I have quite a few friends who are around equal to the CPU at lv5 (Training settings) in terms of countering and such. I'm about as good, or slightly better, than them in that respect, but I can chain & use moves much better, so yeah.

Though they still can counter throws and Blast 2's with quite a great deal of consistency, so for the most part, that combo is rendered obsolete. Though when I pull off the whole combo, I gain around 4000-6000 HP, and they lose over 10000 HP (1 full bar) if I include physical attacks before the throw.

Course, I could have it done to me as well, so I either stay away from 2nd cell and opt for a long range battle, or choose a character with a brick effect (such as a Giant-type, or the Potara) so that they can't stun me long enough to pull off the throw.

Against the AI, it's pure WIN.
Though another factor to take into consideration is if your opponent is an android (The health gain is almost insignificant) or a giant (throws & Rush Blast 2's don't work on them)

The gap between each character is considerably lessened. Wish those idiots would realize it.
I'm able to beat a modded Gogeta SSJ4 (CPU Very Strong, or one of my friends who loves spamming Blast 2's) with normal Hercule 😐. Course, the password character version of Gogeta is another story wrt Normal Hercule.

Originally posted by yungz22
gohan wasnt ssj2 in the movie

There was already a video on youtube showing he had the whole lightning effect showing he was SSJ2. There is nothing disproving he wasnt SS2. And there wouldnt be a reason for him not to be. That and the hair was highly similar. When Gohan fought debura he didnt have lightning but he was a SSJ2. Thing is he got weaker cuz he wasnt trainning

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Seeing villains use Kamehameha never took well with me >__>. It's like seeing Goku breath fire like Hirudegarn.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Gallic Gun? Ahh, good times.

It, imo, seemed way cooler than the Final Flash when it first appeared.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True. Wonder why Frieza couldn't deflect it though.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I see. The thing is, it takes a lot of time. Something I'm not sure is on his side wrt SB if he's up against Broly.

On Namek, Krillen, kid Gohan, and Piccolo were able to distract Frieza long enough for Goku to prepare the Spirit Bomb, and on Supreme Kai's world, Vegeta, the fat Buu, and Hercule were able to distract Kid Buu long enough for Goku to do the same, so yeah.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
What happened that made you change your mind? (I forgot the specifics, it's been a long time, so yeah)

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Who knows, Broly may just be that insane/dumb.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He'd beat Super Buu (w/Gohan as his source of power) many times over. iirc, he was more powerful than the Kid Buu version. Not too sure on that though. Kid Buu was psychopathic though. More so than Super.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I can't play online (I have the PS2 version)...I have quite a few friends who are around equal to the CPU at lv5 (Training settings) in terms of countering and such. I'm about as good, or slightly better, than them in that respect, but I can chain & use moves much better, so yeah.

Though they still can counter throws and Blast 2's with quite a great deal of consistency, so for the most part, that combo is rendered obsolete. Though when I pull off the whole combo, I gain around 4000-6000 HP, and they lose over 10000 HP (1 full bar) if I include physical attacks before the throw.

Course, I could have it done to me as well, so I either stay away from 2nd cell and opt for a long range battle, or choose a character with a brick effect (such as a Giant-type, or the Potara) so that they can't stun me long enough to pull off the throw.

Against the AI, it's pure WIN.
Though another factor to take into consideration is if your opponent is an android (The health gain is almost insignificant) or a giant (throws & Rush Blast 2's don't work on them)

The gap between each character is considerably lessened. Wish those idiots would realize it.

Probably would've known about all that stuff you mentioned if I had the drive to keep playing Budokai Tenkaichi 3 as much as I did most of the others, but the introduction of King Cold as a fighter still kinda made it worthwhile for me.

As for that last part, me too. Am glad they did that with the characters though.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I'm able to beat a modded Gogeta SSJ4 (CPU Very Strong, or one of my friends who loves spamming Blast 2's) with normal Hercule 😐. Course, the password character version of Gogeta is another story wrt Normal Hercule.

Originally posted by Csdabest
There was already a video on youtube showing he had the whole lightning effect showing he was SSJ2. There is nothing disproving he wasnt SS2. And there wouldnt be a reason for him not to be. That and the hair was highly similar. When Gohan fought debura he didnt have lightning but he was a SSJ2. Thing is he got weaker cuz he wasnt trainning

Gohan apparently never went SSJ2 when he fought Dabura for some unexplained reason, though he still would've been outclassed by the Demon King either way because of his lack of training, methinks.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
I agree when it comes to Buu using the Kamehameha, which he has on occasion, but with Cell, it seemed rather natural to me for some reason.

Supposedly because he was the most humanoid of the villains in his perfect/super perfect form 😛?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Eh, not sure I agree with that. Vegeta's Final Flash against Perfect Cell was pretty freakin' epic, especially with the music given to it. That made it a lot more awesome than most of the other times he used it, even though it took him a lot longer to power up to use it the first time around.
The Gallic Gun was pretty cool as well though, but probably would've appealed more to me if it hadn't gotten cancelled out by Goku's Kaio-ken X4 + Kamehameha (or was it X3? I forget). Vegeta's first fight with Goku was the only time I remember him using it, along with Cell using it once in his semi-perfect form.

Well, it was Vegeta's first powerful attack that could stand up to the Kamehameha so 😛. That's why I thought it was cooler.
Though the power he put into his first final flash even made Cell scared. So no wonder it took that long.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Because he's evil/his heart's impure. I thought you knew.

Apparently, not 😂

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Well, like I said, Cell can either use Solar Flare to blind Broly for a bit, or spawn some Cell Juniors to distract the legendary super saiyan long enough for him to do what he needs to do.

True enough. But he'd have to be in his super perfect form in order to dish out real damage against Broly.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
On Namek, Krillen, kid Gohan, and Piccolo were able to distract Frieza long enough for Goku to prepare the Spirit Bomb, and on Supreme Kai's world, Vegeta, the fat Buu, and Hercule were able to distract Kid Buu long enough for Goku to do the same, so yeah.

PIS 😛?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
I tried to think, but seems I've forgotten myself as well. It's all just a blur now. 😂

No matter, that show is ooold anyway. There's that new/remastered show out though. Dragon Ball Kai I believe.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
I think he is to be honest. If he were as smart as most of the Z-fighters (and not as pissed off all the time), he probably would've broken free from Paragus's mind control device a long time ago. He also must've been pretty dumb for Videl, Trunks (from the present), and Goten to have lasted against him as long as they did in Broly: The Second Coming. I'm sure some Cell Juniors (or maybe even just one) could last against him even longer.

Perhaps it's his insanity that stops him from being rational like the others. As well as PIS that keeps the Z-Fighters alive 😛.
Though honestly, the cell juniors (if spawned by Perfect) would be nothing but insects to him.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah. Super Buu with Gohan absorbed was the mightiest Majin so to speak, but Kid Buu was easily the most insane/destructive because of not having any 'goodness' from those he absorbed before. By feats, Kid Buu actually beats Buuhan, but we all know DBZ characters (except non-canon ones like Broly) are determined by power scaling, not feats. Otherwise, we'd be saying Frieza is stronger than Cell because he's killed more people/destroyed planets.

In a manner of speaking, he is 😛...well, no, never mind, by ABC logic, Trunks owned Frieza (even though he was in mech form), and couldn't own Cell's first form as easily even after so much training.

Was gonna say that Frieza > Cell's 1st form >.<

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Ah, okay. I have the PS2 version as well, not the Wii. People stopped playing DBZ games with me by the time the first Budokai Tenkaichi was out, so meh. Budokai 3 was the last one I got to thoroughly enjoy with others.
Probably would've known about all that stuff you mentioned if I had the drive to keep playing Budokai Tenkaichi 3 as much as I did most of the others, but the introduction of King Cold as a fighter still kinda made it worthwhile for me.

As for that last part, me too. Am glad they did that with the characters though.

Ahh damn, and I thought there was another person who could discuss it with me 😛

Never was really a fan of the Budokai games, because of their game structure being similar to most fighting games. imo, Tenkaichi's is better, since it's a 3D environment.

Heh. Hercule ironically, is one of my most used characters in every game he's in, especially the very first Budokai where he was kind of overpowered, but then he slowly became weaker and weaker with each following game, though he's still good nonetheless if you know how to use him right. I love what they did with that joke character for the most part.[/B][/QUOTE]

True. He's pretty good if you can use him right. Though he's worthless against Giant characters in 3.
He's like Dan, fun to use, but weaker when compared to others, overall.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Supposedly because he was the most humanoid of the villains in his perfect/super perfect form 😛?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Well, it was Vegeta's first powerful attack that could stand up to the Kamehameha so 😛. That's why I thought it was cooler.
Though the power he put into his first final flash even made Cell scared. So no wonder it took that long.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True enough. But he'd have to be in his super perfect form in order to dish out real damage against Broly.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
PIS 😛?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
No matter, that show is ooold anyway. There's that new/remastered show out though. Dragon Ball Kai I believe.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Though honestly, the cell juniors (if spawned by Perfect) would be nothing but insects to him.

Of course Cell Juniors if spawned by regular Perfect would be nothing but insects to Broly, but if they manage to act as a diversion long enough for the real Cell to perform some super attack like the Spirit Bomb, then they still serve their purpose.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Ahh damn, and I thought there was another person who could discuss it with me 😛

Never was really a fan of the Budokai games, because of their game structure being similar to most fighting games. imo, Tenkaichi's is better, since it's a 3D environment.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True. He's pretty good if you can use him right. Though he's worthless against Giant characters in 3.
He's like Dan, fun to use, but weaker when compared to others, overall.

Goku used the Spirit Bomb in SSJ form against Kid Buu. THAT'S what the due meant earlier by "I used to think that too."

Ah yes. That's what it was! Thanks for refreshing my memory. 😛

The Legendary Super SaiyaJin stomps.

Based on feats, Brolly ruins. If were gonna get extra deep then we have to ask 1 question. Is the gang Brolly beat up stronger than SS2 Gohan?

no

Broly

/thread

Did you draw that, six6six?

lol I was about to say... Broly's hair isn't that long. I do kinda recall seeing something like this in Mugen though.

2nd form Cell can easily be countered by and Android. I personally prefer 13. He was beastly in BT2. The S.S. Deadly Bomber was pretty broken. He had some pretty nice moves for his B2's. Chuck a Deadly Bomber at them while they are from a far and they pretty much have to block it. you can't teleport dodge it. If they get up close then just Super Explosive Wave their ass. 13's SEW was pretty cheap because unlike everyone else he didn't have to jump back and initiate it.

The cheapest tactic in all of the BT's has to be Ultimate Gohan from BT2 when packed right. Max his attack, UB and B2, Max Power Plus and a Halo for good measure. Go Max Power mode, Rolling Hammer and then just Violent Rush them. If they don't have an explosive wave then they're ****ed. You can just eat their back up until your max gauge runs down and either throw them or knock them back and do his Burst Rush. That is easily over 100k damage.

Dunno bout BT2, but in 3, it's 2nd Cell's abilities that one of the cheapest (lack of performance against androids & giants hoses it)

Androids could counter, but they still lose some health from his Blast 2. There's still his ability to spam BBC and his physical attacks. Giants stop his Blast 2 & Throw dead in their tracks.

Cheapest in 3 has to be spamming Syn Shenron's more powerful Blast 2.

S.S. Deadly Bomber is almost broken in 3, tis a good thing Super 13 can't charge ki. DB is very hard to avoid, it's so huge >.<. Even out-running it is hard. His Ultimate Blast sucks though, you've to be right up close with them, though it's powerful, not to mention bada**.

___

That pic, is it of a non-canon SSJ3 Broly (no eye-brows, long hair)?
Pretty good nonetheless.

Originally posted by I am who I am
Based on feats, Brolly ruins. If were gonna get extra deep then we have to ask 1 question. Is the gang Brolly beat up stronger than SS2 Gohan?

A weaker one who had not trained in seven years.

But I digress.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
That pic, is it of a non-canon SSJ3 Broly (no eye-brows, long hair)?
Pretty good nonetheless.