Originally posted by h1a8How come virtually every brick he has faced has hit him before?
Superman 10/10
Hulk would be a statue and never touch him.
Originally posted by h1a8No, it isn't. When they were facing off Doomsday didn't use any form of speed. Neither did Konvikt when they first met. Hmmm.
Doomsday's speed is comparable to the Flash, Hulk's is not.
Originally posted by shokosugiDo you ever back up what you say with actual evidence?
Superman wins as usual.Superman > all versions of Hulk
Originally posted by quanchi112
How come virtually every brick he has faced has hit him before?
you know why, you just choose to ignore it.
No, it isn't. When they were facing off Doomsday didn't use any form of speed. Neither did Konvikt when they first met. Hmmm.
he let konvikt hit him.
and doomsday does have comparable reflexes to superman. always has. again, stop hating.
Originally posted by RaoulThe point is it's in character for Superman to engage bricks. He has done it countless times. In hp Doomsday never used speed and Superman was purposely trying to avoid him. I know he let Konvikt hit him, but the point is Konvikt was fast enough to take him on. Superman wasn't just dancing all over him like he was a statue.
you know why, you just choose to ignore it.he let konvikt hit him.
and doomsday does have comparable reflexes to superman. always has. again, stop hating.
Who do you think wins this?
Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is it's in character for Superman to engage bricks. He has done it countless times. In hp Doomsday never used speed and Superman was purposely trying to avoid him. I know he let Konvikt hit him, but the point is Konvikt was fast enough to take him on. Superman wasn't just dancing all over him like he was a statue.Who do you think wins this?
you're missing the point, again. superman can't avoid doomsday because doomsday is simply that fast. the artist doesn't need to draw motion blur to show us that both men are fighting quickly.
even if konvikt was fast enough to take superman on, that makes konvikt fast, it doesn't make superman slow when he has the speed feats to show how quick he can be.
haven't decided yet, tbh.
Originally posted by RaoulThe artist clearly tells us when Supes is using his speed just like when Glads has etc. Or if they don't draw it they tell us otherwise it's speculation imo. When the artist doesn't show us that we know they aren't fighting at an accelerated pace.
you're missing the point, again. superman can't avoid doomsday because doomsday is simply that fast. the artist doesn't need to draw motion blur to show us that both men are fighting quickly.even if konvikt was fast enough to take superman on, that makes konvikt fast, it doesn't make superman slow when he has the speed feats to show how quick he can be.
haven't decided yet, tbh.
I don't think it makes Konvikt fast I think for the purposes of the story Superman doesn't just use his speed every time he runs into a brick. Glads doesn't use his speed all the time and neither does Superman.
Let me know when you decide.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The artist clearly tells us when Supes is using his speed just like when Glads has etc. Or if they don't draw it they tell us otherwise it's speculation imo. When the artist doesn't show us that we know they aren't fighting at an accelerated pace.
proof?
the same guys who write and draw glads aren't the same guys that write and draw superman, you know...
I don't think it makes Konvikt fast I think for the purposes of the story Superman doesn't just use his speed every time he runs into a brick. Glads doesn't use his speed all the time and neither does Superman.
its a common thing. superman makes his enemy focus on him rather than anyone else. after his first hit, konvikt gets like one hit on superman. clark dominates the fight until bruce calls him away.
there's no reason clark couldn't have blitzed konvikt if he wanted to.
Originally posted by RaoulI don't have to prove it you do. If speed is being used and someone claims they are using it then the burden of proof is on you. I am saying in hp there was no proof whatsoever that they were fighting at an accelerated pace.
proof?the same guys who write and draw glads aren't the same guys that write and draw superman, you know...
its a common thing. superman makes his enemy focus on him rather than anyone else. after his first hit, konvikt gets like one hit on superman. clark dominates the fight until bruce calls him away.
there's no reason clark couldn't have blitzed konvikt if he wanted to.
I am just saying that any artist has to convey what is going on with on panel confirmation.
Superman and WW both seemed to have an edge over Konvikt, but it wasn't just a one on one battle anyways and the bought him enough time to recover from the initial shot he took.
I am not saying there is a reason I am saying it's in character for Superman to take on a brick without blitzing. It's still a viable option, but he isn't doing it ten out of ten times is my point.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't have to prove it you do. If speed is being used and someone claims they are using it then the burden of proof is on you. I am saying in hp there was no proof whatsoever that they were fighting at an accelerated pace.
i don't have to prove it. his amount of combat speed feats sets the precedent that he can and does use his speed when the situation calls for it. it's been proven.
I am just saying that any artist has to convey what is going on with on panel confirmation.
i disagree. there are tons of instances where characters with speed fight each other, but there is no mention of them actually using it. again, the precedent is set.
Superman and WW both seemed to have an edge over Konvikt, but it wasn't just a one on one battle anyways and the bought him enough time to recover from the initial shot he took.
for several panels superman is facing him one on one and dominates him.
I am not saying there is a reason I am saying it's in character for Superman to take on a brick without blitzing. It's still a viable option, but he isn't doing it ten out of ten times is my point.
as soon as he realises he's up against someone as strong as the hulk, though, he would use it, because it's the way he is. he's in it to win either way. if he can't do it with strength, he'll add some speed.
Originally posted by RaoulYes in those situations, but not in the ones I mentioned. At the end of the day Superman will pull through. He is the hero the good guy. Just because he uses speed in one story that doesn't mean he uses them in every story. He obviously didn't use it against Doomsday in hp.
i don't have to prove it. his amount of combat speed feats sets the precedent that he can and does use his speed when the situation calls for it. it's been proven.i disagree. there are tons of instances where characters with speed fight each other, but there is no mention of them actually using it. again, the precedent is set.
for several panels superman is facing him one on one and dominates him.
as soon as he realises he's up against someone as strong as the hulk, though, he would use it, because it's the way he is. he's in it to win either way. if he can't do it with strength, he'll add some speed.
I never said the precedent wasn't set. Supes has speed, but he didn't use it in the situations we have been talking about.
So was WW. But it wasn't a fair one on one fight. They bought him time to recover after his initial shot. That taints the fight in my eyes.
I just gave you an example of him not using speed against hp Doomsday. Doomsday was an absolute force in that arc and Superman was specifically trying to avoid him. He may use it in some fights, but not all ten.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes in those situations, but not in the ones I mentioned. At the end of the day Superman will pull through. He is the hero the good guy. Just because he uses speed in one story that doesn't mean he uses them in every story. He obviously didn't use it against Doomsday in hp.I never said the precedent wasn't set. Supes has speed, but he didn't use it in the situations we have been talking about.
So was WW. But it wasn't a fair one on one fight. They bought him time to recover after his initial shot. That taints the fight in my eyes.
I just gave you an example of him not using speed against hp Doomsday. Doomsday was an absolute force in that arc and Superman was specifically trying to avoid him. He may use it in some fights, but not all ten.
i think he uses it ever time he fights doomsday, it's just useless because doomsday has the reflexes to keep up.
he had a couple of seconds at most. konvikt was still fine when he went up against clark one on one, imo.
i disagree about H/P.
superman wins everytime if he fights smart. if he doesn't, hulk could do it. this is how i see the fight going down: supes wades in and gets tagged really hard and then is like "holy crap....better not do that again." and then speed blitzes hulk for the win. supes speed blitzing like he is capable combined with his strength should be enough to put hulk down eventually. superman really is just too fast if he uses his speed, and after getting tagged by hulk, i'm sure he would use it. he is quite smart.
Originally posted by emporerpants
superman wins everytime if he fights smart. if he doesn't, hulk could do it. this is how i see the fight going down: supes wades in and gets tagged really hard and then is like "holy crap....better not do that again." and then speed blitzes hulk for the win. supes speed blitzing like he is capable combined with his strength should be enough to put hulk down eventually. superman really is just too fast if he uses his speed, and after getting tagged by hulk, i'm sure he would use it. he is quite smart.
that one punch would kill him. How about this, everyone that has one shotted superman, how about you triple there strength.