Originally posted by TenebrousHow would he take shots from Class 100 and have organs with the same durability as regular humans?
How are his insides just as durable? Have his intestines ever been shown to be immune to harm?the other two attributes are a non-issue
How is having a healing factor and being immortal a non issue, he was able to fight as a skeleton. Even IF Jackie were to be able to hurt him, it wouldn't do anything to stop him.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
How are his insides just as durable? Have his intestines ever been shown to be immune to harm?the other two attributes are a non-issue
The energies of Cyttorak gives him sustenance, he doesn't need to eat drink or sleep, he had his eyes gouged by a magical sword and he felt no pain, they quickly regenerated and he kept going. He has survived as a skeleton and whooped D'Spayre's ass. The WB can't stop him nor hurt him.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Who is Jackie?
No offense man, but when you ask questions like that, and when you make statements like this
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
two people who can't offensively hurt Cain. Those two aren't invulnerable, Cain is.
It just shows your bias when you're making a statement about a character whose name you don't know/recognize. Every single issue of the Darkness mentions his name, which is Jackie.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
No offense man, but when you ask questions like that, and when you make statements like thisIt just shows your bias when you're making a statement about a character whose name you don't know/recognize. Every single issue of the Darkness mentions his name, which is Jackie.
Jackie is not in this fight this is the WB not Darkness. Jackie beating Superman and Hulk in a noncanon fight means nothing since both of them aren't invulnerable which is something Cain is.
There is no bias here, I know what Cain can do and what can hurt him, you seem to think that his insides can be hurt and it has been proven that they can't as Mindset said. He couldn't take punches from class 100s if his insides had human durability.
Originally posted by Mindset
How would he take shots from Class 100 and have organs with the same durability as regular humans?How is having a healing factor and being immortal a none issue, he was able to fight as a skeleton. Even IF Jackie were to be able to hurt him, it wouldn't do anything to stop him.
That's a weak argument as you didn't cite any proof. Jackie has eviscerated opponents from afar before. I'm not saying cain will LOSE to jackie, I'm saying that jackie has options.
anyway the two attributes are a none issue b/c Jackie also possess healing factor and immortality. In fact he possesses true immortality. If Galactus or some other entity wanted to end Juggernaut, he'd be dead. Conversely the Darkness power is its own universal concept; if the bearer (jackie) gets disemboweled or even dies, the darkness just brings him back together, literally, piece by piece, because killing the host in no way equates to killing the actual power, and the actual power just reconstitutes the host to live and fight again. So they're a none issue because if you're bullet proof, and i'm bullet proof, then there's no use in brining guns to the table.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
That's a weak argument as you didn't cite any proof. Jackie has eviscerated opponents from afar before. I'm not saying cain will LOSE to jackie, I'm saying that jackie has options.anyway the two attributes are a none issue b/c Jackie also possess healing factor and immortality. In fact he possesses true immortality. If Galactus or some other entity wanted to end Juggernaut, he'd be dead. Conversely the Darkness power is its own universal concept; if the bearer (jackie) gets disemboweled or even dies, the darkness just brings him back together, literally, piece by piece, because killing the host in no way equates to killing the actual power, and the actual power just reconstitutes the host to live and fight again. So they're a none issue because if you're bullet proof, and i'm bullet proof, then there's no use in brining guns to the table.
Cain died while in Oblivion and came back. Your eviscerating argument fails horribly.
No organs and he is fine with a smile.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Jackie is not in this fight this is the WB not Darkness. Jackie beating Superman and Hulk in a noncanon fight means nothing since both of them aren't invulnerable which is something Cain is.There is no bias here, I know what Cain can do and what can hurt him, you seem to think that his insides can be hurt and it has been proven that they can't as Mindset said. He couldn't take punches from class 100s if his insides had human durability.
Dude, RELAX. this is a discussion regarding characters that were mentioned in the thread. It happens all the time.
Superman and Hulk crossovers are canon to the Darkness. In fact I'm pretty certain that the crossover is canon to the Hulk as well since it was referenced in another hulk comic.
And you guys continue to peddle this logic. I'm not going to concede on the basis of "he can take punches from people so his insides have to be as well."
Just the fact that you guys are equating "class 100 punches" to something akin to molecular manip is flawed logic. Darkness' power is to command, manipulate, and create the very concept of universal darkness, shadows, etc.
It's not just some punch.
Originally posted by TenebrousThe proof is any fight he has had with Class 100 people.
That's a weak argument as you didn't cite any proof. Jackie has eviscerated opponents from afar before. I'm not saying cain will LOSE to jackie, I'm saying that jackie has options.anyway the two attributes are a none issue b/c Jackie also possess healing factor and immortality. In fact he possesses true immortality. If Galactus or some other entity wanted to end Juggernaut, he'd be dead. Conversely the Darkness power is its own universal concept; if the bearer (jackie) gets disemboweled or even dies, the darkness just brings him back together, literally, piece by piece, because killing the host in no way equates to killing the actual power, and the actual power just reconstitutes the host to live and fight again. So they're a none issue because if you're bullet proof, and i'm bullet proof, then there's no use in brining guns to the table.
You said Jackie can eviscerate Cain, sorry if I assumed you meant Jackie would win. 🙂
Thank you, I read The Darkness though. It is not a non issue, your example doesn't fit. We weren't talking about how Juggs would beat Jackie, we were talking about your statement that Jackie would eviscerate Juggs.
Originally posted by Mindset
The proof is any fight he has had with Class 100 people.You said Jackie can eviscerate Cain, sorry if I assumed you meant Jackie would win. 🙂
Thank you, I read The Darkness though. It is not a non issue, your example doesn't fit. We weren't talking about how Juggs would beat Jackie, we were talking about your statement that Jackie would eviscerate Juggs.
Not a logical argument. Why don't wolverine's organs get compressed to gelatin in every fight he's in? They don't, so would we imply that he his internal organs have some degree of durability that his skin doesn't (his skin get cut, yet he still has a stomach/liver after being punched by colossus?)
Why does strength have anything to do with this? If Surfer decides to transmute cain's bones to liquid, would you argue that he can't do it because cain withstand hulk's punches?
Originally posted by Tenebrous
Dude, RELAX. this is a discussion regarding characters that were mentioned in the thread. It happens all the time.Superman and Hulk crossovers are canon to the Darkness. In fact I'm pretty certain that the crossover is canon to the Hulk as well since it was referenced in another hulk comic.
And you guys continue to peddle this logic. I'm not going to concede on the basis of "he can take punches from people so his insides have to be as well."
Just the fact that you guys are equating "class 100 punches" to something akin to molecular manip is flawed logic. Darkness' power is to command, manipulate, and create the very concept of universal darkness, shadows, etc.
It's not just some punch.
Who isn't relaxed and can you prove that these fights were canon?
Originally posted by Tenebrous
Not a logical argument. Why don't wolverine's organs get compressed to gelatin in every fight he's in?Why does strength have anything to do with this? If Surfer decides to transmute cain's bones to liquid, would you argue that he can't do it because cain withstand hulk's punches?
because his organs are protected by adamantium and a HF.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Who isn't relaxed and can you prove that these fights were canon?
I don't need to prove that they're canon. If you read the Darkness, you would know that nearly EVERY crossover he's involved in is canon to the character. This isn't like Marvel or DC. In fact the Hulk crossover is a prequel to broken trinity, which was top cow's big crossover last year.
Originally posted by TenebrousHealing factor.
Not a logical argument. Why don't wolverine's organs get compressed to gelatin in every fight he's in? They don't, so would we imply that he his internal organs have some degree of durability that his skin doesn't (his skin get cut, yet he still has a brain after being punched by colossus?)Why does strength have anything to do with this? If Surfer decides to transmute cain's bones to liquid, would you argue that he can't do it because cain withstand hulk's punches?
As seen when WWH punched him repeatedly, his brain does take damage from punches.
Strength has to do with it because you are trying to argue that his organs are not as durable as the other parts of his body.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
I don't need to prove that they're canon. If you read the Darkness, you would know that nearly EVERY crossover he's involved in is canon to the character. This isn't like Marvel or DC. In fact the Hulk crossover is a prequel to broken trinity, which was top cow's big crossover last year.
You feel you don't need to prove something in a debate but you ask us to prove things?