Originally posted by psycho gundamOk, but cutting him will be about as effective as any other attack, it will hurt him, but that alone wont put him down.
they got the better of superman's aura, sure he was powering down, but he was still getting cut up.herc lacks that aura, and dd is not far below him in strength (if the consensus is that he is.. but i don't believe it is so)
Btw, does Herc have any healing feats, he is immortal, after all.
Originally posted by psycho gundamOdds are about as good as Herc koing him.
dd wasn't slowing down due to power loss like superman, he was just hit with a shock wave that he couldn't withstand (punch collision). herc would live through a similar experience leaving dd inert, but the odds of that reoccurring are small.dd for the majority.
Herc for the majority.
Originally posted by Enyalus
That was reaffirmed much more recently:
hmm. i think i HAVE seen that posted before. i guess it just doesn't make much sense to me. i mean . . . what's he holding? the earth? the sky? the UNIVERSE?? define "firmament".
who is telling that story, btw?
Its an accurate portrayal because Herc and Thor were always depicted as equals. And both of them are insanely strong, so it makes sense. And yeah it was a silly story...it was only like 4 pages long. And while I know its a shared feat, those two feats (the Heaven one and the one you just posted) right there prove Herc's strength is much higher than DOS DD's.
i still think the feature story was meant to be apocryphal, but either way, doesn't much matter. depending on how you are willing to define 'firmament', that scan (if it was meant to be a "true" depiction of said feat) could prove he is leagues stronger than ANYONE. his battle feats do not come close to supporting that level of strength, however. hercules would be decimated by the gang of jla'ers that dd obliterated. his speed would overwhelm herc, his healing would be too much. we will never see dd performing 'strength feats of that nature, so comparing them on THAT basis makes no sense. in sheer strength, herc might be a match, but everything else is heavily on dd's side imo.
Originally posted by Mindset
Yes, at least 2 or 3 times.It has also recently been affirmed that his 10 trials and past mythological feats are canon.
What kind of Herc fan are you? 😬
that would be once, apparently. and aren't some of his trials still attributed to gilgamesh?
anyway, i'm the kinda fan who hasn't collected regularly in nearly 10 years but who's trying to catch up--slowly, on some of the stuff he's missed. 😉
Originally posted by leonidas
hmm. i think i HAVE seen that posted before. i guess it just doesn't make much sense to me. i mean . . . what's he holding? the earth? the sky? the UNIVERSE?? define "firmament".who is telling that story, btw?
No one's telling it. Its a flashback.
Originally posted by leonidas
i still think the feature story was meant to be apocryphal, but either way, doesn't much matter. depending on how you are willing to define 'firmament', that scan (if it was meant to be a "true" depiction of said feat) could prove he is leagues stronger than ANYONE. his battle feats do not come close to supporting that level of strength, however. hercules would be decimated by the gang of jla'ers that dd obliterated. his speed would overwhelm herc, his healing would be too much. we will never see dd performing 'strength feats of that nature, so comparing them on THAT basis makes no sense. in sheer strength, herc might be a match, but everything else is heavily on dd's side imo.
Originally posted by EnyalusWell, Herc says sky at one point. At other points in the same issue, he refers to it as Heaven. And two issues later, he also calls it Heaven. Which is consistant with the Greek myth. So, I'd imagine that's "Heaven," basically.
No one's telling it. Its a flashback.
sweet. i know i seem to be pooh-poohing the scan, but herc is hardly what i'd call a . . . reliable narrator. see the 'lifting manhattan island story' for just one example. he tends to indulge in hyperbole once in a while. i'd love to see a comic book retelling of the myths. guess that's the only thing that would really solidify it in my eyes as truly canon. 😬
[quoteFeats show pretty conclusively that Herc is stronger than DOS DD. And has far superior fighting skill. But I agree, speed and durability go to DD, and DD takes the majority. [/QUOTE]
👆 on the fact that we agree. i just think it's unfair to compare strength feats in an effort to determine who is stronger. dd really HAS no strength feats, so most popular top tier strength guys could win and could be said to be stronger based only on an examination of strength feats.
meh. we agree on the big picture. details only muddle things anyway. 😂
Originally posted by psycho gundam
weren't some of herc's labors actually done the forgotten one of the eternals?
yeah, i thought so too. that's gilgamesh--or at least that was one of his names . . . not sure if that has been retconned more recently though. it was mentioned in a handbook entry at one point.
Originally posted by leonidasThat would be twice, apparently.
that would be once, apparently. and aren't some of his trials still attributed to gilgamesh?anyway, i'm the kinda fan who hasn't collected regularly in nearly 10 years but who's trying to catch up--slowly, on some of the stuff he's missed. 😉
No.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
[B]Incredible Hercules 124Herc and Namora vs Atlas
Here's Atlas holding up the sky again, then remembering how Herc tricked him, and then Herc koing him.
