Re: Longest running death that has yet to be ruined?
Originally posted by Accel
Up until recently, Barry Allen probably had this title, but... well, y'know.So now with his resurrection, which other character has been dead the longest, STAYED dead that whole time, and is STILL dead to this day?
I'm mainly referring to heroes who have actually died on panel, so no smart-ass answers like Uncle Ben or any thing like that.
Uncle Ben
just because he didn't technically "die" doesn't mean the decades of stories in which we knew him to be dead didn't influence how characters acted/interacted or how we felt about the character. the fact that he "never really died" is what ruined the whole 'death' in the first place, thus tying into the title of the thread, thus being at least a valid point of discussion if not a contender for the title.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
So he's of no relevance to this thread mmm
Originally posted by Original Smurph
If he didn't technically die, why is he in the "Longest running death" thread?mmm
I will make you two long running deaths that won't be ruined!!! 😠
Originally posted by Disappear
just because he didn't technically "die" doesn't mean the decades of stories in which we knew him to be dead didn't influence how characters acted/interacted or how we felt about the character. the fact that he "never really died" is what ruined the whole 'death' in the first place, thus tying into the title of the thread, thus being at least a valid point of discussion if not a contender for the title.
Exactly ✅
I'd happily take Winter Soldier and Bucky as Captain America than Steve Rogers running around guilty about Bucky's death, Brubaker executed it extremely well and it's clearly showing in the sales.
My only fear is that eventually Ed will have to leave the book and some clown will bring Steve back from the dead leaving Bucky irrelevant. (just like Kyle Rayner and Wally West are now that Hal and Barry are back)
Originally posted by -V-
I'd happily take Winter Soldier and Bucky as Captain America than Steve Rogers running around guilty about Bucky's death, Brubaker executed it extremely well and it's clearly showing in the sales.My only fear is that eventually Ed will have to leave the book and some clown will bring Steve back from the dead leaving Bucky irrelevant. (just like Kyle Rayner and Wally West are now that Hal and Barry are back)
Morrison on Captain America! 😱
Originally posted by Disappear
the fact that he "never really died" is what ruined the whole 'death' in the first place, thus tying into the title of the thread, thus being at least a valid point of discussion if not a contender for the title.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
If he didn't technically die, why is he in the "Longest running death" thread?mmm
Avengers Annual 1987: The Avengers fight The Grandmaster, who's recruited the legions of the dead to fight on his behalf. The ranks included the likes of Captain Marvel, Drax, Dracula...and Bucky. Who goes right after Cap.
So - was he really dead? 😗
Originally posted by roughrider
Avengers Annual 1987: The Avengers fight The Grandmaster, who's recruited the legions of the dead to fight on his behalf. The ranks included the likes of Captain Marvel, Drax, Dracula...and Bucky. Who goes right after Cap.
So - was he really dead? 😗
In Busiek's Avengers, Mockingbird appears from Hell, alongside Doctor Druid and the Swordsman, brought back to a zombie like life by the Grim Reaper.
Later, Mockingbird is revealed to have been replaced by a Skrull and not to have died at all.
It's pointless to bring up cases when a ret-con is proved "wrong." You just start to fanboyishly nitpick.
Originally posted by Accel
Considering his death was, in fact, undone and he's not dead now, no it isn't.
well, barry never really died, he just transmuted into the speed force and was "lost" since his 'death,' so what's the real difference? the retcon doesn't necessarily undo the stories that we knew them to be dead in, just the context in which we view them. hence a "ruining" of a 'death,' which is tied into the very title of the thread. i don't understand the gripe of discussing how bucky doesn't count when barry not counting is mentioned as a preface to the thread itself.
Re: Longest running death that has yet to be ruined?
Originally posted by Disappear
well, barry never really died, he just transmuted into the speed force and was "lost" since his 'death,' so what's the real difference? the retcon doesn't necessarily undo the stories that we knew them to be dead in, just the context in which we view them. hence a "ruining" of a 'death,' which is tied into the very title of the thread. i don't understand the gripe of discussing how bucky doesn't count when barry not counting is mentioned as a preface to the thread itself.
Bucky would be a contender if he was actually still dead this whole time and remained that way now.
Since he doesn't fit these guidelines...
which other character has been dead the longest, STAYED dead that whole time, and is STILL dead to this day?
Re: Re: Longest running death that has yet to be ruined?
Originally posted by Accel
You seem to be missing the point here. With Barry, they still took a character who was supposed to be dead for the past two decades and then just brought him back, thereby undoing his death. Making it so that he "never died in the first place" doesn't change any of that.Bucky would be a contender if he was actually still dead this whole time and remained that way now.
Since he doesn't fit these guidelines...
...he doesn't qualify.
Umm that's exactly what happened with Bucky 😐 In the same way, Barry was supposed to be dead the whole time but was retconned in FC to reveal he wasn't dead. Bucky was supposed to be dead for even longer, but Brubaker retconned it to reveal that he wasn't
The only difference is, Brubaker did a much better job than Morrison 😄