Black Adam vs Gladiator

Originally posted by Xzpunisher
[B]Marvel top tiers have destroyed planets?
WWHulk and Gladiator are the only 2 Marvel power houses I know of that have destroyed planets with pure phsyical force, and it took Gladiator multiple blows and his heat vision to do so,

Beta Ray Bill and Stardust also destroyed IIRC two planets during their fight.

The shock wave of Supermans punches alone destroyed a planet and that was while under a red sun, when Gladiator or any Marvel power house destroys a planet while weakened and with the shock of their punches alone, then will talk

When was this?

Also pulling planets is alot more impressive then destroying one,

See below

Also Hulk destroyed an astroid twice the size of Earth because he was launched into it with propellent springs,

They basically used Hulk as a missle, its more of a durability feat then an actual strenght feat

The springs were just to get him there, his punch was what destroyed the asteroid.

http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/atphantom/all-images/108-53836/justice_league_of_america__29___page_16/105-690264/?offset=72

That is a link to a pic of Supes pulling the Earth

Where does it say that he actually moved the Earth? looks to me like he was providing counterforce to Starbreaker.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Beta Ray Bill and Stardust also destroyed IIRC two planets during their fight.

When was this?

See below

The springs were just to get him there, his punch was what destroyed the asteroid.

Where does it say that he actually moved the Earth? looks to me like he was providing counterforce to Starbreaker.

Did BRB and Stardust destroy them with physical force? Last I checked most Heralds werent known for having vast phyiscal strenght

Superman vs General Zod

The springs launched him there, he was basically acting as a missle, he did punch the astroid but he had tons of momentum

Starbreaker was moving it toward the sun, In the comic Hal and Supes said they had to move it back into place

Originally posted by Xzpunisher
Of course he was flying, how can someone move a planet if that arent flying? And it really doesnt matter because its something no Marvel brick or powerhouse would be able to do

Originally posted by Xzpunisher
Marvel top tiers have destroyed planets?
WWHulk and Gladiator are the only 2 Marvel power houses I know of that have destroyed planets with pure phsyical force, and it took Gladiator multiple blows and his heat vision to do so,

The shock wave of Supermans punches alone destroyed a planet and that was while under a red sun, when Gladiator or any Marvel power house destroys a planet while weakened and with the shock of their punches alone, then will talk

Also pulling planets is alot more impressive then destroying one,

Also Hulk destroyed an astroid twice the size of Earth because he was launched into it with propellent springs,

They basically used Hulk as a missle, its more of a durability feat then an actual strenght feat

http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/atphantom/all-images/108-53836/justice_league_of_america__29___page_16/105-690264/?offset=72

That is a link to a pic of Supes pulling the Earth

Originally posted by darthgoober
It matter's because if he was flying then the feat was flight aided and isn't valid proof of Supes being STRONGER than anyone.

Especially the last scan, as it only shows him pushing against the construct with his flight, at least the one in the Obsidian age required him to hold onto the lasso so that could be argued as a strength feat, except for the fact that he had the help of MM and WW and they were failing to keep the Earth in orbit and needed to be saved by Green Lantern

Originally posted by darthgoober
Zod and Supes were tied to that planet spiritually. It was being damaged as the fight went on because because THEY were being damaged...

So, he left out an important detail.

Thanks.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It matter's because if he was flying then the feat was flight aided and isn't valid proof of Supes being STRONGER than anyone.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Especially the last scan, as it only shows him pushing against the construct with his flight, at least the one in the Obsidian age required him to hold onto the lasso so that could be argued as a strength feat, except for the fact that he had the help of MM and WW and they were failing to keep the Earth in orbit and needed to be saved by Green Lantern

Also in that same comic, Hal even said that Superman was the only person strong enough to pull it off, which means Supes was using physical strenght making it a strenght feat

No Marvel brick or powerhouse could replicate that feat

Originally posted by Xzpunisher
Did BRB and Stardust destroy them with physical force? Last I checked most Heralds werent known for having vast phyiscal strenght

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,117248.0.html

Superman vs General Zod

See, previous post.

The springs launched him there, he was basically acting as a missle, he did punch the astroid but he had tons of momentum

I believe the intent of the scene is obvious

Starbreaker was moving it toward the sun, In the comic Hal and Supes said they had to move it back into place

All that shows them is trying, it doesn't actually show the planet being moved, do you have the next page?

Besides, that seems more like a feat of his flight and not strength as he's pushing against the harness

Originally posted by Silent Master
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,117248.0.html

See, previous post.

I believe the intent of the scene is obvious

All that shows them is trying, it doesn't actually show the planet being moved, do you have the next page?

Besides, that seems more like a feat of his flight and not strength as he's pushing against the harness

They did move it back into place, Hal even said Superman was the only one strong enough to do so making it a strenght feat

I find it funny how you will use Hulk destroying that astroid as a strenght feat yet Superman pulling the Earth back in place as a flight feat

Originally posted by Xzpunisher
Its still a durability feat, without the added momentum Hulk would never have been able to destroy that astroid

Because he wouldn't have been able to get to it.

They did move it back into place, Hal even said Superman was the only one strong enough to do so making it a strenght feat

Scan that actually shows them moving it?

I find it funny how you will use Hulk destroying that astroid as a strenght feat yet Superman pulling the Earth back in place as a flight feat

Because the Hulk actually punched the asteroid whereas Superman was pulling against the construct with his flight.

We’re getting off on a tangent anyway.

Gladiator vs. Hyperion.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/HypeGlad1.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/HypeGlad2.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/HypeGlad3.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/HypeGlad4.jpg

Planet crushing force and fighting between nanoseconds, check.

Hulk wouldnt have been able to destroy it because he lacks the physical strenght, he was only able to destroy it because he had extra momentum, his physical strenght had nothing to do with it

I already showed you the scan, go buy the comic if you want to see the rest of it

Again Hal said Superman was the only one strong enough to do it, what part of that do you not understand?

That means other characters that can fly, Captain Atom, Firestorm, Alan Scott etc wouldnt be able to do it even though they can fly

Flight has little to do with it

Its a strenght feat and its proof that Superman is vastly stronger then any Marvel brick or power house, like it or not

Originally posted by Xzpunisher
So I guess anyone that can fly can move a planet right? I guess Hawkman and Cannonball can move it too right? Regardless of flight, strenght was needed to move it, no Marvel power house can replicate that feat, PERIOD

Originally posted by darthgoober
Was he flying? Cause if he was it's not really a feat of pure strength...

Supes has some impressive feats of physical strength that put him ahead of most characters, but the feats he has that are flight aided aren't valid proof of his being stronger than anyone because there's more than just his physical strength at work.

Originally posted by Xzpunisher
Hulk wouldnt have been able to destroy it because he lacks the physical strenght, he was only able to destroy it because he had extra momentum, his physical strenght had nothing to do with it

IYO, Judging by the context I believe the intent of the scene was that the Hulk was the only one they could get that was strong enough to destroy it and that the jets were just to get him there.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

I already showed you the scan, go buy the comic if you want to see the rest of it

No, you showed me a scan of them trying, not succeeding.

For all I know, the next page has them getting some kind of help.

Again Hal said Superman was the only one strong enough to do it, what part of that do you not understand?

That means other characters that can fly, Captain Atom, Firestorm, Alan Scott etc wouldnt be able to do it even though they can fly

Flight has little to do with it

Its a strenght feat and its proof that Superman is vastly stronger then any Marvel brick or power house, like it or not

darthgoober already covered this

You do realize that according to Its your Marvel Universe

Hyperion is strenght class 6, which means he cant lift more then 100 tons

Planet crushing strenght my ass, especially since the most powerful version of Hyperion got killed by Gambit

Originally posted by Xzpunisher
You do realize that according to Its your Marvel Universe

What?

Hyperion is strenght class 6, which means he cant lift more then 100 tons

Planet crushing strenght my ass, especially since the most powerful version of Hyperion got killed by Gambit

Comics > Handbooks.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Did I say that anyone who could fly could move the planet? No. What I said was...

Supes has some impressive feats of physical strength that put him ahead of most characters, but the feats he has that are flight aided aren't valid proof of his being stronger than anyone because there's more than just his physical strength at work.

Originally posted by Silent Master
What?

Comics > Handbooks.

What Marvel says>>>What people like you and me say

Originally posted by Xzpunisher
Its the books names

What Marvel says>>>What people like you and me say

Right, and according to Marvel

Gladiator vs. Hyperion.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b...r/HypeGlad1.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b...r/HypeGlad2.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b...r/HypeGlad3.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b...r/HypeGlad4.jpg

Planet crushing force and fighting between nanoseconds, check.