WWHulk vs X-Men, Avengers, and Fantastic Four

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Phantom. Without just tossing around your picture of Hulk "resisting energy powerful enough to move a planet" (🙄 ),

Well for starters the energy in that scan was actually used to move a planet so its not far removed from telekinesis.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
please explain to me how, if lifted off the ground by wind/telekinesis, Hulk could "resist" it and remain on the ground?

First of all when this was brought up and I said he was could resist being lifted I meant when he was on the ground, not in mid-air.

However he can resist being lifted in mid-air by the invisible women by smashing the shields that hold him. If you smash IW shields it can stun her.

I also stated that apparently Hulk has actually been able to change direction in mid-air using his strength...now IF this is true and depending on what the scans show he can resist being held by wind.

Now I think I stated that a weaker version of Hulk took on both the EC and WC Avengers and you seemed to ignore that point, could you please address it now.

Originally posted by Starscream M
he could swing his arms wildly and use momentum to resist against telekinesis...duh 😐

Yeah and theres that as well but since theres no Jean Grey in this thread I didnt think I would bother. Depending on how Storm applies the wind though this could work on her as well.

Originally posted by Raoul
half of the x-men.

The only thing Storm might be able to do his use her tornado winds to keep him away, but he could just jump right back and thunderclap her. His thunderclaps put a whomping on Iron Man.

That is something I was going to bring up and has also been brought up. Even if he cant resist being lifted he just needs to thunderclap the muthas to death while in mid-air.

1) Hulk/Zom fight is PIS. Zom just... stopped fighting and recieved the smashing.
2) Riiight, like sonic attacks will work on Storm, sure...
3) Wolverine's claws can pierce WWH's hide, he just lacks force to do it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
That is something I was going to bring up and has also been brought up. Even if he cant resist being lifted he just needs to thunderclap the muthas to death while in mid-air.

Never saw anyone get killed by a thunderclap.

http://mynetimages.com/viewimage/ef28a1e1
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TOAST!

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
http://mynetimages.com/viewimage/ef28a1e1
http://mynetimages.com/viewimage/895b4365
http://mynetimages.com/viewimage/bf85b6de

TOAST!

Who died?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Who died?

THE WIND in the second scan.
😮‍💨

Who else can kill the wind, beside HULK!?!? 💃 💃 💃

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
It is similar its energy that is used to [b]move a planet. So in that sense that energy is bing used similar to telekinesis. I think its at least comparable to resisting Cyclops keeping him in the air...dont know how he would do that.[/b]

cyclops' blasts are nothing like teleknises. it's pure physical force.

If Gladiator can WWH can.

how?

Well like I said if he can change direction in mid-air not mid-jump he can resist Storm. ( not sure what you meant by mid-jump) [/B]

can he fight his way out of a tornado?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Only Colossues, Cyclops, Wolverine and Storm are in this thread. Cyclops used his full-power optic blast and WWH waded through it and grabbed him.

no. piss poor writing to boot. cyclops is unable to use a full power blast with his visor on.

Colossus got a righteous curbstomping as if vastly inferior strength and durability would contribute anything.

that's my point. colossus has gone up against people stronger than him before, and tends to use his head. he didn't in this instance. he tried to outbrawl hulk.

Wolverine did his best and also got wtfpwned for his troubles. Not like claws that can't pierce WWH's hide are going to help at all.

no argument with that.

Storm perhaps is the only one who jobbed "off-panel." But she still used a lightning strike combined with a full-power novablast that burned Johnny out and WWH was nonchalant about it.

The only thing Storm might be able to do his use her tornado winds to keep him away, but he could just jump right back and thunderclap her. His thunderclaps put a whomping on Iron Man.

if they get him high enough, i think they can negate the effects of said thunderclaps...

Originally posted by Raoul
cyclops' blasts are nothing like teleknises. it's pure physical force.

The energy is that scan was capable of moving a planet out of orbit much more force than Cyke can generate. Telekinesis can be like a blast from cyke but that depends on how it is applied.

Originally posted by Raoul

how?

Because she manipulates objects by creating forcefields. These force fields can be physically touched and can therefore be broken. Gladiator did this and stunned Sue.

Originally posted by Raoul

can he fight his way out of a tornado?

He can actually generate force from moving his limbs, that force will react against the wind generated by Storm.

He knocks out a terrorist by the air from his punch.

http://mynetimages.com/viewimage/85b4e9c0

also Hulk can move his limbs at much greater speed.

Heres a post from another forum.

Take a look at this scan:
http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/6548/hulksuperspeedbj7.jpg

For the Hulk to vibrate his hands that much faster than a centrifuge would require that he was moving his hands at 1/9th the speed of light, or several hundredths the speed of light, depending on which calculations you use. This shows that the Hulk's reaction time and actual time it takes him to move is insanely fast.

The point is that he can generate enough force to use air to KO a terrorist if he really gets pissed he can mostly likely generate alot more force. If all fails he can use a thunderclap.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The energy is that scan was capable of moving a planet out of orbit much more force than Cyke can generate. Telekinesis can be like a blast from cyke but that depends on how it is applied.

if it was made to be anything like a blast from cyclops, then it wouldn't be energy the hulk could just break.

Because she manipulates objects by creating forcefields. These force fields can be physically touched and can therefore be broken. Gladiator did this and stunned Sue.

i know how her powers work.

just because gladiator did it doesn't mean the hulk can. he needs leverage, or the ability to touch said field physically.

He can actually generate force from moving his limbs, that force will react against the wind generated by Storm.

He knocks out a terrorist by the air from his punch.

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i've seen that scan before. it doesn't apply unless the person is close enough for them to actually feel the force, imo.

it sets no precedent to me.

also Hulk can move his limbs at much greater speed.

Heres a post from another forum.

Take a look at this scan:
http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/6548/hulksuperspeedbj7.jpg

For the Hulk to vibrate his hands that much faster than a centrifuge would require that he was moving his hands at 1/9th the speed of light, or several hundredths the speed of light, depending on which calculations you use. This shows that the Hulk's reaction time and actual time it takes him to move is insanely fast.

The point is that he can generate enough force to use air to KO a terrorist if he really gets pissed he can mostly likely generate alot more force. If all fails he can use a thunderclap.

he knocked the terrorist out because the guy was close enough. storm wouldn't be. even a thunderclap would dissipate over distance.

Originally posted by Survivor19
1) Hulk/Zom fight is PIS. Zom just... stopped fighting and recieved the smashing.
2) Riiight, like sonic attacks will work on Storm, sure...
3) Wolverine's claws can pierce WWH's hide, he just lacks force to do it.

Originally posted by Raoul
no. piss poor writing to boot. cyclops is unable to use a full power blast with his visor on.

that's my point. colossus has gone up against people stronger than him before, and tends to use his head. he didn't in this instance. he tried to outbrawl hulk.

What would Colossus using his head do against WWH? Run away? He tried his best to delay WWH and contain him while everybody else tried to figure out ways to stop him. Arguing that he was a victim of PIS when he logically couldn't do anything but throw himself in WWH's path is inaccurate at best.

Originally posted by Survivor19

3) Wolverine's claws can pierce WWH's hide, he just lacks force to do it. [/B]

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
1) Zom isn't in this thread.
2) Yes, it would. As Phantomzone's scans depict. Heck, in Mighty Avengers a thunderclap whomped Ironman in his armor.
3) Hence, his claws can't pierce WWH's hide. Just like my fist can't hurt WWH's face without sufficient force behind it.That may be, but despite that fact being well-established in comics, the writer intended it to be a full power blast and we see it not doing much. If you want to be rigid about it and assume that a visorless full power blast is more powerful than the one he used on WWH, I don't believe it would achieve a greater discernible effect necessary enough to make a real difference. WWH's tanked monumental blasts before, i.e. Skrull-Bolt's voice, full novablast+lightning strike, Zarathos' hellfire blast, Sentry's unleashing of power, etc.

What would Colossus using his head do against WWH? Run away? He tried his best to delay WWH and contain him while everybody else tried to figure out ways to stop him. Arguing that he was a victim of PIS when he logically couldn't do anything but throw himself in WWH's path is inaccurate at best.

it's actually not well established. it's established enough that it should be followed, but plenty of writers take liberties nowadays just for the sake of story.

cyclops' power works differently to all of those, and has done massive damage. without hulk bracing himself, he should have at the very least been knocked back or off his feet.

i'm not "being rigid". i'm just hoping that eventually writers will actually get a character's powers right and not just use hyperbole for the sake of plot, which it was. yelling "full power", without the artist accurately depicting it or anything from cyclops to indicate he was doing it bar yelling it screams "hey, ill make it full power, that sounds cool and will show just how awesome this hulk is!"

it was out of character for colossus, is what i was saying. and it was. yes, he didn't have many options, but he didn't even consider trying.

^ I can agree with that.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I can agree with that.

nice that you finally begin to see sense... uhuh

but why do some not think that his claws can peirce wwhulks hide when they actually did. and so did warpaths(i think thats the guy)

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Only Colossues, Cyclops, Wolverine and Storm are in this thread. Cyclops used his full-power optic blast and WWH waded through it and grabbed him. Colossus got a righteous curbstomping as if vastly inferior strength and durability would contribute anything. Wolverine did his best and also got wtfpwned for his troubles. Not like claws that can't pierce WWH's hide are going to help at all. Storm perhaps is the only one who jobbed "off-panel." But she still used a lightning strike combined with a full-power novablast that burned Johnny out and WWH was nonchalant about it.

The only thing Storm might be able to do his use her tornado winds to keep him away, but he could just jump right back and thunderclap her. His thunderclaps put a whomping on Iron Man.

Wasn't Cyclop's blast at full power. His visor was still on. I know Scott said he was "going to max power" (lol) but we've seen him do more damage when he takes the visor off. Just a general point because that part of the comic really bugged me.

Originally posted by jalek moye
he does have the force to do so, hell he did cut him, and other people cut him to.

Warpath's knifes pierced him IIRC

Originally posted by The Pict
Wasn't Cyclop's blast at full power. His visor was still on. I know Scott said he was "going to max power" (lol) but we've seen him do more damage when he takes the visor off. Just a general point because that part of the comic really bugged me.

Warpath's knifes pierced him IIRC

^ Warpath's knives are made of vibranium. ALso he's stronger than Wolvie IIRC. Special circumstances.

Originally posted by Raoul
nice that you finally begin to see sense... uhuh

EDIT: Warpath? Right.