Cloud Vs. Medivh

How much did he move? The classical evade where he barely move, or did he pull an Albert Wesker? Evading a bullet is far from near being as fast as it. A Formula One car drive in over 300 kilometers per hour at some occasions, but by seeing its line of travel and discover it in time, even a can evade it. Same goes with evading a bullet. Sight it in time and you don't have to be even half as fast.

All it prove is that Zack has good reflexes and good speed. Not necessarily the speed of a bullet. If he is shown moving at that speed, I will give up. The speed of a simple handgun bullet is nearly 1000 miles per hour. Equivalent to 1400 feet per second. And that's not even a powerful handgun.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Able to effortlessly dodge and deflect bullets.

Although he could be a quarter that fast and still be fast enough to win this fight in one attack. 🙂

Deflecting and dodging is nothing about actually being able to move as quick as a bullet, like Neo or the Beast out of Kung fu hustle. Obsidian pretty much answered this as well above.

Well the OP does not actually state how far apart they are.

An average block in size apart, cityscape.

Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
How much did he move? The classical evade where he barely move, or did he pull an Albert Wesker? Evading a bullet is far from near being as fast as it. A Formula One car drive in over 300 kilometers per hour at some occasions, but by seeing its line of travel and discover it in time, even a can evade it. Same goes with evading a bullet. Sight it in time and you don't have to be even half as fast.

All it prove is that Zack has good reflexes and good speed. Not necessarily the speed of a bullet. If he is shown moving at that speed, I will give up. The speed of a simple handgun bullet is nearly 1000 miles per hour. Equivalent to 1400 feet per second. And that's not even a powerful handgun.

Did he seem to be moving 1400 feet per second when he charged them? That's the speed of the bullet by some of the smaller handguns. 700 feet per second might be as slow as it gets, while some handguns push beyond 4000.

They weren't handguns.

They were automatic machine-gun weapons firing from all angles.

Then it depends some on the machinegun and stretches anywhere between 700-5000 feet per second, fairly 600-1200 rounds per minute. If this was human shooters, it still cripple the hitrate. Zack as fast as he may be can move, and it'll take at least a second or two for even an army to react and adapt to his movement, and by the time they have, he could've moved again.
So again, unless he actually appear to move at the speed of any listed speed, he's not as fast as a bullet. If he is, I'm happy to conceed.

If he was fired on from all angles though, shouldnt they have shot their own in crossfire?

And Medivh can't simply give out a thought and melt everything on that block, including Cloud? He happily used the spell on the orcs. He's the guardian that touches every domain but time. Deathwing feared him more than his fellow aspects.

Deathwing did not fear Medivh. He respected him. And Medivh only melted everything in a couple of meters radius. A band of orcs. In theory Medivh could annihilate major cities but he has shown no such moves. A man is only as powerful as his greatest accomplishment I would say.

Beings like Deathwing respect only power.

Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
Then it depends some on the machinegun and stretches anywhere between 700-5000 feet per second, fairly 600-1200 rounds per minute. If this was human shooters, it still cripple the hitrate. Zack as fast as he may be can move, and it'll take at least a second or two for even an army to react and adapt to his movement, and by the time they have, he could've moved again.
So again, unless he actually appear to move at the speed of any listed speed, he's not as fast as a bullet. If he is, I'm happy to conceed.

If he was fired on from all angles though, shouldnt they have shot their own in crossfire?

So what if Medivh wasn't able to react to Clouds movement? I mean he doesn't have super human reflexes or awareness does he? Just incredibly powerful magic! He would be aiming his magic on a place where Cloud wasn't?

Originally posted by K1ll3r
So what if Medivh wasn't able to react to Clouds movement? I mean he doesn't have super human reflexes or awareness does he? Just incredibly powerful magic! He would be aiming his magic on a place where Cloud wasn't?

Since it was impossible to sneak up on Medivh, or spy on him, because he always knew if you were there, I'd say he has pretty good awareness. However, the spell that was brought up is areal and would attack a specific area rather than a target in particular. All that would be required at that point is that Cloud is within its radius in order to die.

Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
Then it depends some on the machinegun and stretches anywhere between 700-5000 feet per second, fairly 600-1200 rounds per minute. If this was human shooters, it still cripple the hitrate. Zack as fast as he may be can move, and it'll take at least a second or two for even an army to react and adapt to his movement, and by the time they have, he could've moved again.
So again, unless he actually appear to move at the speed of any listed speed, he's not as fast as a bullet. If he is, I'm happy to conceed.

If he was fired on from all angles though, shouldnt they have shot their own in crossfire?

Should have, but its fiction.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Since it was impossible to sneak up on Medivh, or spy on him, because he always knew if you were there, I'd say he has pretty good awareness. However, the spell that was brought up is areal and would attack a specific area rather than a target in particular. All that would be required at that point is that Cloud is within its radius in order to die.

He most certainly is bullet-timer. Does not necessarily move as fast as a bullet still.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
He most certainly is bullet-timer. Does not necessarily move as fast as a bullet still.

Not even a fourth the speed for as long as you hold the capability to see the bullets coming.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Not even a fourth the speed for as long as you hold the capability to see the bullets coming.

Think about that statement for a minute.

Five hundred bullets does not go any faster than one bullet does. For as long as you have perception on your side, agility and above decent speed you can make it out. All there would be to it is timing. Something I'm sure Zack has plenty of. Timing and proper moves.

I'm sure you've seen a movie sometime where the badguy jumps through a high amount of moving larm lasers in an attempt to reach the safe on the other side of the room. Timing and perception.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Five hundred bullets does not go any faster than one bullet does. For as long as you have perception on your side, agility and above decent speed you can make it out. All there would be to it is timing. Something I'm sure Zack has plenty of. Timing and proper moves.

I'm sure you've seen a movie sometime where the badguy jumps through a high amount of moving larm lasers in an attempt to reach the safe on the other side of the room. Timing and perception.

Difference being the vast difference in speed and amount.