Originally posted by WO Polaski
considering sideous killed galen in that very game im not really sure why youd think that. and mace used vapaad something galen doesnt have the luxery of using.
You know what? It seems Galen does use Vapaad.
Geez, what was all that "I guess you don't know anything" talk.
Next time, before going on a power trip for no good reason, check your facts first.
Originally posted by Placidity
Thats a nice opinion. Where do you get this from?
Yea Mace was using vapaad, everyone knows that. Again, where do you get this information that vapaad must be used to counter "strongest user of lightning in the entire mythos"?
every person that has gone up against sideous' lighting has failed except for mace and luke, luke being the strongest force user in the entire mythos. its already been stated canonically that it was it was mace's use of vapaad that allowed him to snag the victory. maybe i should extrapolate regardless.
[Galen Marek] needs to know vapaad if he's dealing with the strongest user of lightning in the entire mythos.
let me ask you: where do you get the idea that using a lightsaber in tandem with the force is somehow much easier then using just the force and that that will somehow change galen's fate? when galen fought sideous the novel describes him as an avatar of the force or something similar, meaning that that moment he was at his very peak of his abilities, in fact, beyond what he could normally accomplish. so what makes you think that galen using every droplet and more of his force talents and still failing miserably (sideous wasnt even slightly injured not even scratched) can somehow pull a win simply because of using a lightsaber?
Also, no need to be a complete dickhead about it.
Maybe you should read that last paragraph, it would help tremendously.
this set me off. i dont like smart aleks and i dont like sarcastic individuals and im very vindictive. if you dont want to be treated like an ass then dont act like one. also no one is forcing you to talk to me. if you dont reply i wont be sad i can assure you.
Originally posted by Placidity
You know what? It seems Galen does use Vapaad.Geez, what was all that "I guess you don't know anything" talk.
Next time, before going on a power trip for no good reason, check your facts first.
really and where is this stated? only three people used vappad mace depa and i believe sora bulq are the only ones who knew so how could he possibly learn it lol.
Originally posted by WO Polaski
really and where is this stated? only three people used vappad mace depa and i believe sora bulq are the only ones who knew so how could he possibly learn it lol.
Well, Galen knew Juyo, which I assume is close enough. Afterall, it is listed as the same entry as Vaapad in the 7 lightsabre combat styles.
Another thing I want to discuss is that apparently Galen 'sacrificed' himself. Perhaps Galen did something more than just absorb it and in the process try to take out Palpatine with him?
I mean Yoda pretty much did the same thing, yet the force 'explosion/overload' didn't kill him or hurt him much. Its also weird that Palpatine didn't get hurt by it, as the effects of the 'explosion' should effect all parties as shown in his force battle vs Yoda.
Nevertheless, I still feel Galen could have forced a Saber fight somehow. A Saber throw or something perhaps...
I dunno, Palps has a history of being a chicken shit in saber combat, he has never won a saber fight in the films. I figured someone who completely trashed Vader could take him on.
juyo existed before mace windu came along. its just that it was so aggressive that the jedi considered it to be an incomplete form. mace came along and created vapaad which is juyo but complete in that the aggression and rage of the style is converted into positive energy. he taught it to depa and sora bulq helped him make it. sora bulq was killed in the clone wars and depa went insane so no one was around to teach galen or galen's master vader. galen knows regular juyo which means no super conducting loop or any of the real cool stuff. xD
i think galen sacrificed himself in that he knew he couldnt win against the emperor only delay him. the sacrifice was that he was going to die but in doing so hed give bail and co. the time they needed to escape. your theory might be possible though i dont know.
i think sideous may have used some sort of bubble shield or something lol. i agree though that its a bit strange that his clothing was barely even ruffled.
i dont know if galen could have beaten the emperor in lightsaber fight but hed have a better chance doing that engaging him in a force battle. i dont think sideous touched his lightsaber in years.
and by the by i dont have aything against you as a person. like i said before i get bitchy when people get smart with me is all. i apologize for jumping down your throat.
Originally posted by Placidity
Nevertheless, I still feel Galen could have forced a Saber fight somehow. A Saber throw or something perhaps...I dunno, Palps has a history of being a chicken shit in saber combat, he has never won a saber fight in the films. I figured someone who completely trashed Vader could take him on.
You are kidding right? Please, tell me you are. You sound just like CM.
WO Polaski already covered this: Juyo =/= Vapaad.
Tell me how exactly he could have won a lot of saber fights? He didn't have any opponent at all in the OT. And he had to stay hidden in the PT, except for when he was discovered. Then he actually did go into saber combat and killed 3 Jedi Masters.
You should really read Gideon's essay about Sidious. Here's a part of it:
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After the siege of Coruscant by Confederacy forces and the deaths of Count Dooku and General Grievous, then-Chancellor Palpatine was confronted in his private office by four Jedi Masters: Mace Windu, Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar, and Saesee Tiin. They had been informed of Palpatine’s dark alter ego by a shaken Anakin Skywalker and intended to arrest him.
Contrary to the beliefs of some skeptics and most casual fans, Windu’s entourage consisted of three of the Jedi Order’s finest duelists. The Complete Visual Dictionary cites them all as “a trio of celebrated swordmasters,” and Windu himself refer the assembled team as “four of the best [Masters].” The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia mentions that “Kolar was a tough combatant, and diplomacy was not his strong suit,” and that “Tiin was known for his foresight and ability to see the future,” and proclaims Fisto “a mighty warrior.” Indeed, Star Wars: the Clone Wars television series depicts Kit Fisto overpowering Confederacy strategist and feared Jedi killer General Grievous in single combat, despite Grievous’s mastery of all seven forms of lightsaber combat and personal training by Count Dooku. Despite these accolades and the facts that the Masters were armed with knowledge of Palpatine’s Sith allegiance and they had the advantage of having ignited their lightsabers and assumed combat stances, Darth Sidious brandished his own lightsaber, hurtled over his desk, and butchered Masters Tiin and Kolar within three seconds. Soaring headlong into Fisto and Windu, he sparred with both Masters for a few more seconds before bisecting the former and “forcing the mighty Windu back,” according to the official databank. Windu’s mastery of Vaapad and the shatterpoint charism were enough to eventually yield an advantage over the Chancellor, and the duel ended with Windu disarming the Sith Lord as Anakin Skywalker rushed into the office.
It should also be noted that Palpatine’s lightsaber had been secluded in a statue within his office, laying in darkness for over a decade (Revenge of the Sith). This, combined with Palpatine’s increased responsibilities as Chancellor—and Count Dooku’s musings that Sidious didn’t need to bother with lightsaber tutelage (Labyrinth of Evil)—indicates that Palpatine was approximately 13 years out of practice when he squared off against the Jedi in 19 BBY.
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And no, Marek was overpowered by Sidious.
"...but ultimately, [Marek] was no match for the power of Darth Sidious" -- official databank and Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia.
^ Ok, but the three that he took down in RotS did not look very impressive, in fact they looked like amateurs.
I mean it only took Palps one stab, and it wasn't super fast or any sort of flashy move. I mean, as Jedi MASTERS, I think they should've lasted longer than that.
And the main reason why I say Palps is chicken shit at saber combat is because he tried to avoid Yoda when challenged to a duel. During the lightsaber duel he was being dominated when engaged in saber locks. If he didn't switch to fighting a force battle, IMO, Yoda would have bested him just as Windu did. He just doesn't seem to be the very top when it comes to Saber fights, as he has always switched to using Force lightning and avoiding saber fights altogether.
Also, I think the fact that Galen beat Shaak Ti and Vader in lightsaber combat counts for something no? He's no slouch in the force either, bringing down a Star Destroyer.
BTW I'm very new to the SW section, no idea who CM is lol.
Originally posted by Placidity
^ Ok, but the three that he took down in RotS did not look very impressive, in fact they looked like amateurs.I mean it only took Palps one stab, and it wasn't super fast or any sort of flashy move. I mean, as Jedi MASTERS, I think they should've lasted longer than that.
The only reason they didn't look impressive is because they wanted to make clear how much better Sidious is compared to them. If they had put up a fight, that would only make Sidious look worse.
And the main reason why I say Palps is chicken shit at saber combat is because he tried to avoid Yoda when challenged to a duel. During the lightsaber duel he was being dominated when engaged in saber locks. If he didn't switch to fighting a force battle, IMO, Yoda would have bested him just as Windu did. He just doesn't seem to be the very top when it comes to Saber fights, as he has always switched to using Force lightning and avoiding saber fights altogether.
That's exactly it, Mace Windu and Yoda are the only ones who could beat Sidious in pure lightsaber combat during the time of the films. They are the top 3 most powerful force users in both trilogies.
Also, I think the fact that Galen beat Shaak Ti and Vader in lightsaber combat counts for something no? He's no slouch in the force either, bringing down a Star Destroyer.
Shaak Ti and Vader would both be slaughtered by Sidious in lightsaber combat.
BTW I'm very new to the SW section, no idea who CM is lol.
CM is Chilled Monkey, he uses the same kind of logic as you do.
SlashVader is considerably stronger than Mace.
They are the top 3 most powerful force users in both trilogies.
SlashFact.
Shaak Ti and Vader would both be slaughtered by Sidious in lightsaber combat.
SlashI dunno, I still thought some of it was sarcasm...
CM is Chilled Monkey, he uses the same kind of logic as you do.
Originally posted by PlacidityLol, that's a nice opinion. No but the truth is, Fisto, Tinn, and Kolar were among the Order's finest swordsmen---felled in seconds.
^ Ok, but the three that he took down in RotS did not [b]look very impressive, in fact they looked like amateurs.I mean it only took Palps one stab, and it wasn't super fast or any sort of flashy move. I mean, as Jedi MASTERS, I think they should've lasted longer than that. [/B]
Originally posted by PlaciditySidious tried to run from Yoda because he knew there was a decent chance he wouldn't survive against the "greatest foe the Dark had ever known", or some description along those lines. In the Rotunda battle, Sidious may have been inferior to Yoda's lightsaber skills (not by much), but he found it more than adequate to disarm and defeat Yoda with just the Force. Same thing would've occurred if Galen had tried.
And the main reason why I say Palps is chicken shit at saber combat is because he tried to avoid Yoda when challenged to a duel. During the lightsaber duel he was being dominated when engaged in saber locks. If he didn't switch to fighting a force battle, IMO, Yoda would have bested him just as Windu did. He just doesn't seem to be the very top when it comes to Saber fights, as he has always switched to using Force lightning and avoiding saber fights altogether.
Not to mention, when you're facing down a barrage of the most intense purple lightning ever, chances are you're not gonna be able to whip out a saber anyways.
Originally posted by PlacidityJust to top it off, Sidious>>Ti and Vader in the saber department. And Garek redirected a falling SD, he didn't bring it down himself. And as Gideon has reminded us a fair few times, the official Star Wars databank entry on Marek states along the lines that "he was ultimately no match for the Emperor."
Also, I think the fact that Galen beat Shaak Ti and Vader in lightsaber combat counts for something no? He's no slouch in the force either, bringing down a Star Destroyer.BTW I'm very new to the SW section, no idea who CM is lol.