Originally posted by jinXed by JaNxNah. Leonidas would fair better than Hector did.
Yeah, as Achilles is paying his respects by attending Leonidas funeral, standing in front of of his pyre.
Originally posted by NightstickNah. Achilles slaughters everyone here one on one except for Leonidas IMO.
Any one of these guys would be a fair match for Achilles on their own all three of them is serious over kill.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Achilles wins this.Leonidas is far and away the most superior on his squad. And let's presume Leonidas is a little better than Hector. Now while Hector was the best Achilles ever fought he clearly was toying with him. While Maximus is somewhat skilled he's not in the metahuman realm of Achilles or even that of Leonidas. Same goes for Wallace.
I agree with the outcome but your justification is wrong. Leonidas isn't the most skilled on the team. You only have to look at how Maximus cuts through the group of gladiators on his own to see he is a cut above both Leonidas and Wallace.
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And before you mention the slow-mo breakout scene from 300 when Leonidas kills a few Persians, bear in mind that gladiatiors are highly trained...Persian "soldiers" were just slaves given weapons and forced to fight.
I think it'd end up Achilles vs Maximus, after Wallace falling 1st for charging straight in like the start of the battle of Stirling bridge (1st main battle in Braveheart where he gives the "sons of Scotland" speech).
Originally posted by jaden101
I think it'd end up Achilles vs Maximus, after Wallace falling 1st for charging straight in like the start of the battle of Stirling bridge (1st main battle in Braveheart where he gives the "sons of Scotland" speech).
What of Wallace hiked up his kilt and bedazzled Achilles first with his goods?
I never said Maximus wasn't skilled. But Leonidas would defeat him. The Spartans are physically superior to Maximus. They also have bigger shields. Leonidas fought far more tougher things than Maximus did. Leonidas faced explosives, ninjas, elephants, rhinos, monsters, and far more opponents in general. He also has superior weapons. I'd even argue Maximus is superior in skill. But Leonidas would most likely still shit on him the same as Achilles did Hector IMO.
we have achilles. he's been a soldier forever, he's got no emotions tied up in this fight. he just woke up and said "well, today i'm ready to kill." as he's woken up every day for the past how many years?
now you take away all the motivation that made the former three want to fight. wallace isn't fighting for scotland, he's fighting for his life. leonidas isn't fighting for sparta, he's fighting for his life, and maximus isn't fighting for revenge or freedom, he's fighting for his life. achilles is fighting because that's what he does.
wallace goes down first. he doesn't know how to defend himself from these kinds of weapons and his own defense is a mishmash of mediocre things put together. achilles uses his shield to slam wallace in the head. his neck snaps. wallace is dead.
maximus goes down second. he's very skilled at profiling other warriors or enemies. he's done this with great success with not only humans [warriors and citizens] but with wild animals. he's able to create his attack strategy through a quick assessment [performed while wallace is getting whapped on the head with a spartan shield.] his enemy is well made for battle, but so is maximus. however, maxiumus has one weapon [not sure what y'all are giving him but in the gladiator ring for an "as entertaining as possible" performance maybe he's working just with his hands or a single spear or, if he's lucky, a well-made sword, so that's what i'm giving him] maximus has great armor for a champion gladiator, but that's just not enough for close encounters with trained spartan soldier. maximus knows to go for points unprotected. he might get blood at a thigh or forearm, but he can't wound mortally and achilles is coming after him now. for maximus, achilles probably makes use of his spear. maximus is agile and nimble, but achilles has a dead-on aim for moving objects. spear impales maximus with such force that it drags him back on impact. of course this means achilles has lost his spear because he's not going to have time to fish it out of maximus now that he's on his most dangerous enemy - leonidas.
one thing is certain - achilles won't go down on a spear. he's mastered the weapon as an offense and so of course knows all potential areas of damage, especially because he's fighting against someone who was trained in the same manner and at the same progression rate.
leonidas is a king, achilles is soldier. this is potentially a downfall for leonidas because he's been trained not only in combat but also in diplomacy, languages, royal etiquette...
achilles knows fighting and only fighting. each encounter he's had has been successful.
leonidas is used to fighting with an army, achilles is used to fighting by himself.
overall, achilles wins. since the spear is not really a valuable weapon for leonidas, it's down to close combat sword to sword, shield to shield. both are skilled in offense, but leonidas has probably had other men come to defend him because leonidas is their king. [not saying leonidas is a wimp, far from it. he probably enters battle first. but at the end of the day, the army needs to take home a leader with a heartbeat. meanwhile, who cares if achilles dies? not achilles... aganemnon, maybe. but he has no control over the fight.
ultimately achillies and leonidas have the same offensive power, but that tiny lack of defensive power, after long hours of close combat, is going to turn into a big defensive hole. those times when leonidas was practicing kingly routine and achilles was practicing nothing but combat take a toll. very close fight, achilles has a few gashes and so does leonidas, but achilles with his better defense will find one moment where leonidas loses concentration... and achilles gets him in the stomach. achilles gives leonidas an honorary death by killiing him immediately instead of letting him drain out the battlefield for fifteen very painful and undignified minutes... and achilles wins.
[i've seen braveheart, 300, gladiator, and troy, so i'm also trying to count in each man's character into his fighting method.]
Originally posted by Darth Martin
I never said Maximus wasn't skilled. But Leonidas would defeat him. The Spartans are physically superior to Maximus. They also have bigger shields. Leonidas fought far more tougher things than Maximus did. Leonidas faced explosives, ninjas, elephants, rhinos, monsters, and far more opponents in general. He also has superior weapons. I'd even argue Maximus is superior in skill. But Leonidas would most likely still shit on him the same as Achilles did Hector IMO.
Leonidas didn't do any of those things alone. Without the Spartan Phalanx he would've died quickly and easily.
And ninjas?...Deary me...I think your geography and history is a little bit off with that one.
It wasn't Leonidas who killed the Rhino anyway...It was Astinos.
Superior shield I'll give you that but the Xyphos sword was a secondary weapon and relatively poor.
Besides, Maximus went up against 6 more heavily armoured gladiators with no shield, no helmet and minimum armour and killed them all in less than a minute.
Achilles did not have the "heel" weakness in the movie. The film hinted at that. He had enhanced human durability, much like Ajax had shown when fighting Hector. Achilles took all those arrows from Paris, and Achilles had removed all the arrows from his body except the one in the heel. When the Greeks found Achilles, they assumed he was immortal everywhere, except his heel.