Darth Nihl vs Asajj Ventress

Started by Red Nemesis2 pages

lyke, i no, rite?

I need to lie down for a moment. The shock is just, overwhelming.

Darth Nihl wins all three.

He defeated Kol Skywalker (the Jedi Grandmaster no less), killed numerous Jedi on Ossus and defeated Wolf Sazen, cutting off his arm and mortally wounding him. Wolf only survived because Cade healed him.

chilled monkey
Darth Nihl wins all three.
No.

chilled monkey
He defeated Kol Skywalker (the Jedi Grandmaster no less),
WTF?

He electrocuted him from behind while Kol was busy slaughtering an army of stormtroopers and Sith warriors, and he'd already been wounded and cast aside; the Sith fired his burst of lightning from the ground, and some had believed him dead on the battlefield.

chilled monkey
killed numerous Jedi on Ossus
You do know who Ventress is?

chilled monkey
and defeated Wolf Sazen, cutting off his arm and mortally wounding him. Wolf only survived because Cade healed him.
What makes Wolf Sazen special? How does he compare to Obi-Wan, or Kit Fisto, or Anakin Skywalker?

Originally posted by Eminence
No.

Yes.

Originally posted by Eminence
WTF?

He electrocuted him from behind while Kol was busy slaughtering an army of stormtroopers and Sith warriors, and he'd already been wounded and cast aside; the Sith fired his burst of lightning from the ground, and some had believed him dead on the battlefield.

He still killed him.

Originally posted by Eminence
You do know who Ventress is?

Yeah, she's a Sith-wannabe. Darth Nihl is a real Sith. He's what Ventress dreams of becoming.

True, she killed a bunch of Jedi, but so did Nihl. And I think that the Jedi of his era are better overall than PT-era due to Luke's legacy. PT-era had grown stagnant and had lost their way (see Yoda's thoughts at the ned of the RotS novel).

Originally posted by Eminence
What makes Wolf Sazen special? How does he compare to Obi-Wan, or Kit Fisto, or Anakin Skywalker?

See above. Plus, even with only one arm he survived a battle with a group of Sith.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Yes.

He still killed him.

Yeah, she's a Sith-wannabe. Darth Nihl is a real Sith. He's what Ventress dreams of becoming.

True, she killed a bunch of Jedi, but so did Nihl. And I think that the Jedi of his era are better overall than PT-era due to Luke's legacy. PT-era had grown stagnant and had lost their way (see Yoda's thoughts at the ned of the RotS novel).

See above. Plus, even with only one arm he survived a battle with a group of Sith.

1) dude that was a cheap shot. Lets say Lucien jumps out from nowhere behind a tree and decapitates a rabbit, then Janus would say "oh Lucien killed a rabbit and since it was powerful, that makes Lucien even more powerful for the fact that he killed it" or something like that.

2) Sith = 2 at one time. He was like the 3rd one. There can't be too many sith, or the power will be diluted.

so like 5 sith = weaker sith compared to 2 sith, one master, other ok sith

3) lost their way my ass. Bane yelled at Krayt for "losing his way" and making the sith weak through the rule of one.

edit: I just read over my post, and it sounded quite hostile.. I hope you don't take any offense.

chilled monkey
Okay.
I accept.

chilled monkey
He still killed him.
Anakin killed Mace Windu, Luke killed the Death Star, Anakin killed Darth Sidious, Han Solo killed Darth Sidious.

Ergo, Anakin > Mace Windu, Luke > Death Star, Crippled Anakin > OT Sidious, Han Solo > DE Sidious.

See how that works?

chilled monkey
Yeah, she's a Sith-wannabe. Darth Nihl is a real Sith. He's what Ventress dreams of becoming.
You've basically eroded any faith I had in you. Considering I spent two days sticking up for Hewhoknowsall, that's something.

Darth Nihl has done nothing that would put him anywhere near Ventress' level. He defeated Wolf Sazen, he reputedly had his ass handed to him by Kol Skywalker - who managed to massacre seven other Sith and several dozen stormtroopers at the same time at least - and then killed him from behind, and then Cade Skywalker made him his *****.

chilled monkey
True, she killed a bunch of Jedi, but so did Nihl.
Who were they? What rank? How many?

chilled monkey
And I think that the Jedi of his era are better overall than PT-era due to Luke's legacy.
Prove it.

chilled monkey
PT-era had grown stagnant and had lost their way (see Yoda's thoughts at the ned of the RotS novel).
Which would matter if Ventress hadn't killed or defeated several Jedi who were notorious combatants.

chilled monkey
See above. Plus, even with only one arm he survived a battle with a group of Sith.
Fourteen year old Cade Skywalker survived a battle with an army of Sith.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Yes.

Yeah, she's a Sith-wannabe. Darth Nihl is a real Sith. He's what Ventress dreams of becoming.

True, she killed a bunch of Jedi, but so did Nihl. And I think that the Jedi of his era are better overall than PT-era due to Luke's legacy. PT-era had grown stagnant and had lost their way (see Yoda's thoughts at the ned of the RotS novel).

With all due respect, they are both wannabes. As i recall Alema, the crazy, one armed, eccentric, half bug dark jedi, called Krayts Sith wannabes. If its coming from her you KNOW its true.

And Lucas himself stated in an interview that the PT jedi are the jedi at their peak. Which rules out that Legacy Jedi are better overall than the PT jedi. (im gonna try to find that exact quote)

Asajj is a beast when compared to Nihl.

Wolfe was even holding his own one armed before cade stepped in and beasted him. even syn got a shot off on the vamipe wannabe.

The PT Jedi is in TPM commentary btw.

It doesn't necessarily apply to Orders in activity after the OT.

Originally posted by Eminence
You've basically eroded any faith I had in you. Considering I spent two days sticking up for Hewhoknowsall, that's something.

Darth Nihl has done nothing that would put him anywhere near Ventress' level. He defeated Wolf Sazen, he reputedly had his ass handed to him by Kol Skywalker - who managed to massacre seven other Sith and several dozen stormtroopers at the same time at least - and then killed him from behind, and then Cade Skywalker made him his *****.

Getting beat by Skywalkers is no shame.

Originally posted by Eminence
Prove it.

In the ROTS novel Yoda admits that he failed the Jedi Order by not letting it change and evolve.

Chilled, a lot of what your saying relies on conjecture here, man...the validity of Nihl's Sith order is debatable on its own and Nhil doesn't have the feats to put him with Ventress. Wolf's awesome, but up to the level of PT greats?

chilled monkey
Getting beat by Skywalkers is no shame.
This isn't an argument.

chilled monkey
In the ROTS novel Yoda admits that he failed the Jedi Order by not letting it change and evolve.
He also said they'd spent the past millenium training to fight the last war. Which was, y'know, that thousand year war with armies of Sith.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
...the validity of Nihl's Sith order is debatable on its own

Beg your pardon, but why do you feel that is?