Dante(DMC4) vs Akuma

But still a guess, an assumption, a speculation, weak sauce proof of whatever feat he apprently provided, all we see is an explosion in the middle of the island, the whole island was crumbling already so obvioulsy the force provided was over a duration. Although it says "as" Akumas island disapears, so it was by no means "punch"---->Island shatters, more of a "punch"---->Island slowly crumbles away....if even that, its still there even after the end of the little cinematic because rubble is still falling around Ryu while he is in the water.

Speculation indeed. Whatever happened though, the punch was the source of it.

Probably he sank that island. we didn't see any scene where the island shattered into pieces.

Sank? Was the island floating?

Apprently it was on water, thus why Ryu is in water, although that could be a subtaranean river or something, tbh I dont know, thing is, we dont see it shattering, breaking, all we see is some crumbling, the likes of which you would see if the Island was not exploding into bits.

I have to say, I was expecting something a bit more flashy from the way it was described, and technicly an H-bomb can do that, there was an island they tested the H bomb on, the island is now below sea level.

The H-Bomb is our most powerful piece of explosive to date. The fact that it can do so does not make the feat any less. Unless the island was actually floating, it did not sink.

I'm not claiming for eitherside, I still think akuma wins, but I think I was let down because it's been described as a bit more epic on this forum.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Out of curiosity, what exactly are you basing this on?

Originally posted by OriginalA
Deductive reasoning. Nero's Blue Rose handgun is a modified Smith & Wesson model 500 pistol. The S&W 500 can shoot bullets that travel up to Mach 1.7 (rounded down to the tenth's spot). Dante reacted to Nero firing on him and is able to counter with his own pistols and shoot Nero's bullets out of the air. Thus Dante is able to react to things moving at least up to Mach 1.7.

Several aspects still has be taken in consideration before Dante is safe. Dodging bullets does not quite suffice. A path I will not draw given my lack of knowledge in both characters.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Several aspects still has be taken in consideration before Dante is safe. Dodging bullets does not quite suffice. A path I will not draw given my lack of knowledge in both characters.

True, but it is a start of a defense for Dante.

Also it isn't dodging bullets. It was shooting them out of the air with more bullets as well as blocking them with his hands.

Originally posted by Burning thought
erm wut? lol....what rubbish, as i thought, no island explodes or breaks apart or "shatters" as you like to put it, all we see is one explosion from the middle of the island, an island not much bigger than Saviour if at all from your video.

Thousands of tons of force to cause the tiny explosion? the one we see in the video? or is there another (likely in your imagination). And furthermore, Saviour needs no feat other than what he is, unless the island has another incredible feat somewhere, its still nothing but gravel and natural rock, and still only a small part of it was smashed, hell we dont even see whats causing the fiery plume.

No more than the island......

The island was directly stated to be disappearing. So yes, the island was destroyed. And what else but Gouki's punch would cause the fiery plume?

An island not much bigger than Savior? What do you base this on other than your own bias? Because we see the whole thing from a point of view that allows us to see all of it? Hell, as a matter of fact, looking at it again, the island was going off-screen to the right, we could not even see all of it. What is to the left is a large cave, possibly a mountain.

Thousands of tons to destroy the island. If it merely sunk...Why the explosion? Or the falling rocks? Why would rocks still be falling when Ryu was in the water if the island merely sunk?

And yeah, thousands upon thousands of tons of force, hell, it would take that just to SINK it.

Savior needs no feat other than what he is? A giant stone statue? I see. So you are talking BS even though he has not one durability feat? Humorous, to say the least. Yet he can take a punch from Gouki, who no matter what way made an island disappear? Even if he only sunk it, that would be sufficient to easily one-shot Savior.

So we are now back to Gouki SINKING the island..... Jeez! It's not like that actually cripples the feat, I mean all it realll y does is change terminology. I had Sado argue that the island didn't sink, but was destroyed, in a belated attempt to discredit the feat. Now BT is going the other way to do the same thing.

Thing is fellas, it would take no less force to 'sink' an island as it would take to 'crumble' it to peices.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
So we are now back to Gouki SINKING the island..... Jeez! It's not like that actually cripples the feat, I mean all it realll y does is change terminology. I had Sado argue that the island didn't sink, but was destroyed, in a belated attempt to discredit the feat. Now BT is going the other way to do the same thing.

Thing is fellas, it would take no less force to 'sink' an island as it would take to 'crumble' it to peices.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Okay time to walk the child through this.

The island was directly stated to be disappearing. So yes, the island was destroyed. And what else but Gouki's punch would cause the fiery plume?

An island not much bigger than Savior? What do you base this on other than your own bias? Because we see the whole thing from a point of view that allows us to see all of it? Hell, as a matter of fact, looking at it again, the island was going off-screen to the right, we could not even see all of it. What is to the left is a large cave, possibly a mountain.

Thousands of tons to destroy the island. If it merely sunk...Why the explosion? Or the falling rocks? Why would rocks still be falling when Ryu was in the water if the island merely sunk?

And yeah, thousands upon thousands of tons of force, hell, it would take that just to SINK it.

Savior needs no feat other than what he is? A giant stone statue? I see. So you are talking BS even though he has not one durability feat? Humorous, to say the least. Yet he can take a punch from Gouki, who no matter what way made an island disappear? Even if he only sunk it, that would be sufficient to easily one-shot Savior.

Sorry but "disapearing" is not the same as destroyed, the rest of the imagery shows that it was not utterly destroyed and furthermore, it says it was "disapearing", not that it actually disapeared there and then so it could have taken hours if not days for all we know for the whole island to crumble away.

The saviour is enormous, far larger than what that island seemed to be, but as i pointed out "from your video" theres little indication at all of the islands size, or comparisons.

Because the force would still be shacking the island which is why it would be crumbling.

Well the island has no feat does it of durability? no, then shut up...simple...Saviour is an enormous thick lump of mostly solid stone, any solid stone beats that feat of making an island shake and crumble.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Sorry but "disapearing" is not the same as destroyed

Can be.

It is going to irk me forever that when the island disappears it was destroyed, but when the moon is gone it just left <_< Double standards can chew my pubes.

Okay, just so everyone knows, the Savior is made up of demonic and spiritual matter and stone. that makes it much more durable than any island. and like some people have said, the island disappaered. it wasn't shattered. and I've seen attacks that do more than cause a small explosion in the cave's wall.

It didnt even disapear, it "started disapearing" e.g. it was crumbling a little

Originally posted by danteiscool
Okay, just so everyone knows, the Savior is made up of demonic and spiritual matter and stone. that makes it much more durable than any island. and like some people have said, the island disappaered. it wasn't shattered. and I've seen attacks that do more than cause a small explosion in the cave's wall.