Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Master of elements, illusions, arcane, shapeshifting, conjuring, enchanting, rituals, energy manipulation and limited druidism would be what I can come to think of just like that.
Then kain would likely come joint first with him, Kain being the master of elements, dimentions, energy, state, souls, blood, weather etc as well as being able to empower them to an unlimited scope.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Its a direct statement, not a speculation. Speculation would assume guesswork.State he has done nothing, elements he creates mostly blasts or AOE waves, Dimensions he just ports through and weather he controls lightning.
What has Krasus done to show his mastery of those skills you stated?
He hasn't done it. That makes it speculation.
I don't even know what State is 😐 Concerning casting lightning, that can hardly be considered weather manipulation. It's one move. Can he stop/summon rain? Avert thunderstorms? Create/remove tornados? Create a hailstorm?
Summon wind, manipulate water, control fire and alter stone. The four elements. He duplicated himself to eight and has also created a whole family as well as house which was solid. Illusionist. He can take any humanoid form he wants and can turn into a dragon. Shapeshifter. He create furniture, items and food. Conjuring. He injected his power into a necklace. Enchanting. He opens portals and preform long-distance spells. Rituals. He restore lifeforce, mana, stamina, repairs injuries and enhance strength and magic. Energy manipulation. He can restore trees, summon the elements and communicate with beasts. Drudism.
And as I said those paths I listed are just a couple of his ways. He has done loads more. What I listed is also not everything he has done in the assigned paths.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
He hasn't done it. That makes it speculation.I don't even know what State is 😐 Concerning casting lightning, that can hardly be considered weather manipulation. It's one move. Can he stop/summon rain? Avert thunderstorms? Create/remove tornados? Create a hailstorm?
Summon wind, manipulate water, control fire and alter stone. The four elements. He duplicated himself to eight and has also created a whole family as well as house which was solid. Illusionist. He can take any humanoid form he wants and can turn into a dragon. Shapeshifter. He create furniture, items and food. Conjuring. He injected his power into a necklace. Enchanting. He opens portals and preform long-distance spells. Rituals. He restore lifeforce, mana, stamina, repairs injuries and enhance strength and magic. Energy manipulation. He can restore trees, summon the elements and communicate with beasts. Drudism.
And as I said those paths I listed are just a couple of his ways. He has done loads more. What I listed is also not everything he has done in the assigned paths.
Hm no, thats not true by any defintion, having not done something in a fiction is extremely common especially for high level entities, if a direct statement claims he has a power, then he has it regardless of not using it.
State, as in the state of things, their nature, their physical forms etc
But you called him a "master", I imagined something more than summoning food and furniture or summoning wind.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Hm no, thats not true by any defintion, having not done something in a fiction is extremely common especially for high level entities, if a direct statement claims he has a power, then he has it regardless of not using it.State, as in the state of things, their nature, their physical forms etc
But you called him a "master", I imagined something more than summoning food and furniture or summoning wind.
I don't do 'absence of proof is not proof of absence'. Either he has done it, or it might very well be hyberbolism. I go with seeing is believing. There's a direct statement declaring Lich King omnipotent. That does not make him so. The creators hyped his power. So while a direct statement exist that claim Kain able to empower himself infinitly, does not mean he can. We have not seen it. This would make him a planet destroyer, which nothing he has done implicate.
Still don't get it.
What more can you do with the wind element than summon it? It was easier to say master of elements than master of fire, water and earth and knows some wind. The elements belong to druids though, which he is limited at. He can do more than many other arcanists, and more than Kain as well.
That's what Conjuring is. Summoning inanimate objects and food. He created his own fortress if you rather want to hear that. I did not bring it up, because I have no intention of being right or wrong. I list things he has done to show his talents. I really don't aim for his greatest moves. I aim for his more general ones.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
I don't do 'absence of proof is not proof of absence'. Either he has done it, or it might very well be hyberbolism. I go with seeing is believing. There's a direct statement declaring Lich King omnipotent. That does not make him so. The creators hyped his power. So while a direct statement exist that claim Kain able to empower himself infinitly, does not mean he can. We have not seen it. This would make him a planet destroyer, which nothing he has done implicate.Still don't get it.
What more can you do with the wind element than summon it? It was easier to say master of elements than master of fire, water and earth and knows some wind. The elements belong to druids though, which he is limited at. He can do more than many other arcanists, and more than Kain as well.
That's what Conjuring is. Summoning inanimate objects and food. He created his own fortress if you rather want to hear that. I did not bring it up, because I have no intention of being right or wrong. I list things he has done to show his talents. I really don't aim for his greatest moves. I aim for his more general ones.
Thats wrong as well, hyperbole is exageration, a direct statement cannot be hyperbole. yes you just pointed out actual hyperbole, however the descrption for the entire race of balance magic regulators cannot be. It would make him more than a planet destroyer and you cannot tone him down just because he has not shown it, the statement is unhyperbolic and direct and its a power he gains at the end of his game series. Omniponce as a word alone can be hyperbole, although everything the LK has done goes against the view of omnipotence making it obvious hyperbole.
The role of the Balance Guardians was a reglatory one; their magic influenced the regulation of the other magic in Nosgoth.
The statement as shown above cannot be hyperbole, since the very words that convey his power are direct.
How can you not understand the state of things? the state of matter for a block of cheese is solid, if you melt it, its state is liquid etc. Its mostly science.
Depends, what has he done? Kain can create fire, lightning, air blasts from him, cause Earthquakes, summon full lightning storms and whirlwinds.
Surely a greater feat with a power usually means more talent in that area of magic, if one being can summon his entire race into excistence while the other can summon a few grapes to eat, surely the former is more talented a summoner/conjurer.
Omniponce as a word alone can be hyperbole, although everything the Kain has done goes against the view of omnipotence making it obvious hyperbole.
The role of the Balance Guardians was a reglatory one; their magic influenced the regulation of the other magic in Nosgoth.
Kain's never displayed anything close to the raw skill, power, and stylishness of Ganon, and your own quote goes against your claim.
The first quote is wrong because he did not have this power until the very end of the game so you cannot judge him by what he has done, Blizzard were talking about the Lich King how he has been since becoming Fusion.
And you like a lot of people have read my quote wrong 🙂
And raw skill and power? show me Ganon doing anything of the sort please, hell even a statement would be nice, ive never even heard of Ganon performing a feat of magic of high level and anything claimed ive not actually seen the source.
Great.....you pretty much asked me to go and find your proof myself, as if I would do that, you have to provide your proof, as if ime going to go and buy a game I dont have, that is not my taste just to see Ganon do that...
Thats like me telling you to go and play Blood omen until the 14th act to see his cast blood shower.
And how is that even impressive, a death curse on a tree....
Seeing as without Zelda games there'd be no Blood Omen, I find your distaste for a game you've never played to be odd.
Also, it's impressive because the Deku tree is the guardian spirit of the forest, who deters evil and protects the order of the world. Before Ganon ever even ascended to power he was essentially slaying quai-dieties.
The Deku tree > Kain, infact, as he's created his own race and safegaurds the cradle of life in his universe.
What do you base that claim on? just because its a similiar type of control? their a completly diffrent series, diffrent atmosphere, characters etc, its a toon game and I have seen enough of the Legend of Zelda to understand its graphics, characters and entire feel is not in my interest.
Wooo! the Guardian spirit of the forest, and what has this spirit resisted before? what do you gauge the impressiveness by? anything other than titles?
That last statement=madness.
I never wanted to go into an elaborate debate with you, Burning Thought, about Kain and I will not do so now. I won't stir my perspective and neither will you. I will never believe that absence of proof is not proof of absence. I believe what I see. I accept nothing less than concrete facts and feats. Something Kain lack to back you up. No matter how many quotes you make, he will not save you from that.
An example is Anveena. She is supposed to be at least as powerful as a nuclear blast but has shown no such power. So while it is not only very likely but most likely that she hold that power, she has never used it and can not in my eyes be declared to have it. Merely because there is no proof that she has a limit for her supposed powers, does not mean that she does not have one.
Kain may be claimed to be unlimited, even supposed to be, but not until he has shown it to us can it be considered actual proof. Evertil' that point it is nothing more than speculations. Speculations based on a statement that might or might not be hype.
Zelda is not a toon game, it has toon titles, lol. And even in toon titles, mainly WindWaker, the storyline is very serious and well played, better than in Blood Omen games.
Graphics also do not make the game, sure, n64 graphics are bad compared to modern games, but OoT and MM are still incredibly good games.
Know somethign a tree can resist that a vampire can't? Sunlight. :]
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Zelda is not a toon game, it has toon titles, lol. And even in toon titles, mainly WindWaker, the storyline is very serious and well played, better than in Blood Omen games.Graphics also do not make the game, sure, n64 graphics are bad compared to modern games, but OoT and MM are still incredibly good games.
Know somethign a tree can resist that a vampire can't? Sunlight. :]
Anyone who claims storyline is better in Zelda than in the Legacy of Kain has not played legacy of Kain or are under a certain age.
As I said, its not in my taste, the graphic style itself would put me off, regardless of whether the graphics themselves are of high quality, same with Mario and all of his games, or Sonic, I dont dislike them because of their graphics quality, just their style nad personalities.
That a normal vampire cant, not a Nosgothic vampire of the level of Kain 😉
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
I never wanted to go into an elaborate debate with you, Burning Thought, about Kain and I will not do so now. I won't stir my perspective and neither will you. I will never believe that absence of proof is not proof of absence. I believe what I see. I accept nothing less than concrete facts and feats. Something Kain lack to back you up. No matter how many quotes you make, he will not save you from that.An example is Anveena. She is supposed to be at least as powerful as a nuclear blast but has shown no such power. So while it is not only very likely but most likely that she hold that power, she has never used it and can not in my eyes be declared to have it. Merely because there is no proof that she has a limit for her supposed powers, does not mean that she does not have one.
Kain may be claimed to be unlimited, even supposed to be, but not until he has shown it to us can it be considered actual proof. Evertil' that point it is nothing more than speculations. Speculations based on a statement that might or might not be hype.
Quotes that I make? you mean the developers.....
Although it depends on what states her power as a nuclear blast, why, etc, I am talking about an actual power of a race of an entire line of beings, not a singular entity or a single being. Assuming a being has no limit because there is not a limit shown is a no limits fallacy, but this is not what either of us are talking about at the moment.
No being can show power without limit, direct statements cannot be hyperbole especially when single words convey their power, its like you claiming you dont believe any statements in the Warcraft books by the narator or the characters just because they have no shown the power, its absurd because a lot of things a character would do is not done in a fiction because the develoeprs themselves do not want to destroy their fictional world to show it, so they make statements e.g. the one I showed.
But since this is pointless, as I said, if we take into account this power, kain wins this with ease since the ability to use magic would be unstoppable and his variety is great, if he does not, then he would come second if not joint first with Krasus, as i said he can also create whirewinds, earthquakes, lightning storms, all of which are fairly high elemental powers and in good variety alongside his powers of light and darkness, time which is obviously an incredible high level ability itself, as well as souls.