The Broly movie is a what if scenraio and that is>>. What if Goku beat Cell, he wouldnt have died and gohan would have gone ssj2...So Goku and Gohan during the Broly movie are both post hyperbolic tiem chamber trainign and are as strong as they wheer when they foguht cell, Broly is above cell and above super saiyan 2.
broly only fought the weaker ssj 2 of gohan in movie 10. I can't remember how many times they went through hyperbolic chamber but, after goku & gohan finished they stayed & planned to stay super saiyan after they got out all the way through the cell fight. So maybe they had another training session after broly? cause both gohan & goku were not ssj in the movie.
but any way broly wouldn't be able to beat buu. broly < ssj3 < buu
Originally posted by BradBalboa
The Broly movie is a what if scenraio and that is>>. What if Goku beat Cell, he wouldnt have died and gohan would have gone ssj2...So Goku and Gohan during the Broly movie are both post hyperbolic tiem chamber trainign and are as strong as they wheer when they foguht cell, Broly is above cell and above super saiyan 2.
This is factually incorrect.
Full Power Super Saiyans are perpetually "super saiyan". Nice try, though.
This was already covered.
And IF it were post HBTC training, then Gohan would have gone SSJ2 when everyone was getting the beat down. 😐
Originally posted by dadudemonNot really, because he never would have went ssj2 without Android 16. It was 16 that was able to get Gohan to snap to become ssj2 with his words, and with his death.
And IF it were post HBTC training, then Gohan would have gone SSJ2 when everyone was getting the beat down. 😐
Originally posted by dadudemon
And IF it were post HBTC training, then Gohan would have gone SSJ2 when everyone was getting the beat down. 😐
There was nothing that he seen to make him cry and power to ssj2 then back down just so he can spend half the next episode powering up again.
the closest thing would be those alien things having their planet destroyed but I believe that scared him more than anything.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
There was nothing that he seen to make him cry and power to ssj2 then back down just so he can spend half the next episode powering up again.the closest thing would be those alien things having their planet destroyed but I believe that scared him more than anything.
Peeps just need to face it, they weren't at the point of a full power super saiyan. There's not evidence to show that they were, besides a wiki entry.
Originally posted by dadudemon
This is a very poor attempt to justify your position. In fact, you destroyed your own position with the "alien destruction" point. Remember, he lost it at 18s head getting stomped on. Hundreds of males, females, and children, working as slaves, for some reason, doesn't strike me as being much less of a motivator to protect the innocent and snap out of it.Peeps just need to face it, they weren't at the point of a full power super saiyan. There's not evidence to show that they were, besides a wiki entry.
Gohan has seen his dad die, picollo die, krillin die. Most of the times he was sitting there frightened or put up a 10 second fight.
What Android 16 not 18, said to Gohan just got him ticking and cell finishing him off just set off the fuse.
Gohan seeing that even an android was caring about the safety & well being of others and the planet was what really set him off cause apparently seeing his dad & everyone else get beaten nearly to death doesn't.
anyway after destroying that planet gohan was staring in disbelief, only thing he had to say was that broly was pure evil.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
Gohan has seen his dad die, picollo die, krillin die. Most of the times he was sitting there frightened or put up a 10 second fight.
This does nothing for your point and even borders on unrelated.
Yes, I know you're trying to argue the point that he did nothing because he did nothing in the past...but if you're making that point, then you're not aware of anything that happened in the Cell Games.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
What Android 16 not 18, said to Gohan just got him ticking and cell finishing him off just set off the fuse.
My bad, ****ing sue me. 😆
But, no, you don't understand what happened. It was the straw that broke the camel's back. 😐
Originally posted by SpadeKing
Gohan seeing that even an android was caring about the safety & well being of others and the planet was what really set him off cause apparently seeing his dad & everyone else get beaten nearly to death doesn't.
Factually incorrect. You don't remember his fight with Radditz, I guess.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
anyway after destroying that planet gohan was staring in disbelief, only thing he had to say was that broly was pure evil.
Indeed. Meaning, plain and simple, that he wasn't a full power ssj, and most certainly wasn't at a point to where he could go SSJ2.
Thank you for proving my point on more than one level, sir.
Instead of arguing my position, you need to tell me WHY they are Full Power SSJ. Please, sir, tell me why they are FPSSJ. 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemonBy the time the Cell Games happened Gohan wasn't a child controlled by emotions, and hated to fight, and didn't like to let his anger get the best of him. It was 16 that told him it was okay, it was 16 that encouraged him to do it. Without 16 the Z warriors probably could have all been beaten on to near death and Gohan still wouldn't have snapped.
This does nothing for your point and even borders on unrelated.
Yes, I know you're trying to argue the point that he did nothing because he did nothing in the past...but if you're making that point, then you're not aware of anything that happened in the Cell Games.My bad, ****ing sue me. 😆
But, no, you don't understand what happened. It was the straw that broke the camel's back. 😐
Factually incorrect. You don't remember his fight with Radditz, I guess.
Indeed. Meaning, plain and simple, that he wasn't a full power ssj, and most certainly wasn't at a point to where he could go SSJ2.
Thank you for proving my point on more than one level, sir.
Instead of arguing my position, you need to tell me WHY they are Full Power SSJ. Please, sir, tell me why they are FPSSJ. 🙂
Radditz was when he had no control over anything. Piccolo's death wasn't able to get him to tap into his anger against the saiyans, and he was closer to Piccolo than his father by that time.
There wasn't any point that would have made Gohan go ssj2. He was beaten up along with everybody else. He wasn't sitting and watching, he didn't have somebody encouraging him to release his anger, or anything at all that happened against Cell.
And Gohan's hair is the exact same as after he comes out of the HTC, and so is Trunks' hair. Everything about them is after not before. Gohan doesn't have his long hair, Trunks doesn't have short hair.
Originally posted by Kento
By the time the Cell Games happened Gohan wasn't a child controlled by emotions, and hated to fight, and didn't like to let his anger get the best of him. It was 16 that told him it was okay, it was 16 that encouraged him to do it. Without 16 the Z warriors probably could have all been beaten on to near death and Gohan still wouldn't have snapped.
No, he would have snapped. None of them were killed...but they were getting the beat down and he was very very very close to snapping. Then...the 16 deal set him over the edge.
Ergo, why I said that straw thing.
Originally posted by Kento
Radditz was when he had no control over anything. Piccolo's death wasn't able to get him to tap into his anger against the saiyans, and he was closer to Piccolo than his father by that time.
1. No, he did snap. I have no idea what you're talking about. He busted out, and spear headed Radditz.
2. He DID snap, majorly, when Piccolo was ACTUALLY killed by Nappa. I have no idea what you're talking about. He went berserk and launched a huge ass Masenko Ha. Just the episode before that, he went ape shit and kicked Nappa in the face so hard that it lauched him into a large rock fixture and crumbled the whole thing. THAT'S why Nappa blew a gasket and launched the attack at Gohan, and Piccolo stepped in the way and sacrificed himself.
Seriously, dude, I have no idea what you're talking about. From what I understand about your post, you are extraordinarily wrong. However, you know a shit load about this stuff, so I may have just made a major ass of myself. 😆
Originally posted by Kento
There wasn't any point that would have made Gohan go ssj2. He was beaten up along with everybody else. He wasn't sitting and watching, he didn't have somebody encouraging him to release his anger, or anything at all that happened against Cell.
He was beaten up fairly badly by Cell, as well. So was everyone else.
One thing is missing from your logic that makes your entire point crumble: Why wasn't Goku encouraging Gohan to go ape shit? Why wasn't Gohan "holding way back", fearing he would go too far? Because that entire aspect was missing from the movie, he was obviously NOT Post HBTC Gohan.
Originally posted by Kento
And Gohan's hair is the exact same as after he comes out of the HTC, and so is Trunks' hair. Everything about them is after not before. Gohan doesn't have his long hair, Trunks doesn't have short hair.
We've already talked about this. They mixed up the look of the characters. At one point, Gohan is a really young looking self...very young looking, in fact, then he's older..then younger. However, that doesn't change the plot points that only everyone's mistaken perspective that it was post HBTC. No powers match that.
Here's a fact that no matter what you guys bring, cannot be refuted:
Goku and Gohan were not full power SSJ.
End of debate. There's nothing left to discuss when that point is brought up.
Originally posted by dadudemonIf 16 had never of said anything I doubt Gohan would have let his anger go like he did.
No, he would have snapped. None of them were killed...but they were getting the beat down and he was very very very close to snapping. Then...the 16 deal set him over the edge.Ergo, why I said that straw thing.
1. No, he did snap. I have no idea what you're talking about. He busted out, and spear headed Radditz.
2. He DID snap, majorly, when Piccolo was ACTUALLY killed by Nappa. I have no idea what you're talking about. He went berserk and launched a huge ass Masenko Ha. Just the episode before that, he went ape shit and kicked Nappa in the face so hard that it lauched him into a large rock fixture and crumbled the whole thing. THAT'S why Nappa blew a gasket and launched the attack at Gohan, and Piccolo stepped in the way and sacrificed himself.
Seriously, dude, I have no idea what you're talking about. From what I understand about your post, you are extraordinarily wrong. However, you know a shit load about this stuff, so I may have just made a major ass of myself. 😆
He was beaten up fairly badly by Cell, as well. So was everyone else.
One thing is missing from your logic that makes your entire point crumble: Why wasn't Goku encouraging Gohan to go ape shit? Why wasn't Gohan "holding way back", fearing he would go too far? Because that entire aspect was missing from the movie, he was obviously NOT Post HBTC Gohan.
We've already talked about this. They mixed up the look of the characters. At one point, Gohan is a really young looking self...very young looking, in fact, then he's older..then younger. However, that doesn't change the plot points that only everyone's mistaken perspective that it was post HBTC. No powers match that.
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Here's a fact that no matter what you guys bring, cannot be refuted:Goku and Gohan were not full power SSJ.
End of debate. There's nothing left to discuss when that point is brought up.
I wasn't saying he didn't do it to Radditz..I'm saying that against Radditz he snapped because he was a little child. Against Nappa and stuff he was only five but was much older mentally and while still easily prone to anger wasn't as easy. That's why he never does that again. Krillen was able to hurt Nappa, just because Gohan got serious when he kicked him doesn't mean Gohan snapped. And Gohan didn't snap when Piccolo died either, he charged up an attack his power didn't increase at all to try and avenge him.
He wasn't really beaten up that badly by Cell. All Cell did was put him into a bear-hug to try and make him angry. Nothing else Cell did before that really hurt Gohan. Broli had completely beaten Gohan almost to death. And Gohan wasn't just watching everybody get beaten against Broli. He was fighting.
Gokou didn't encourage Gohan to snap, he was just counting on it happening. Cell Games Gokou's choice to give up isn't the way Gokou normally is. He's more like he is against Broli. Give it his all, and pull out a PIS win no matter how strong the opponent is.
Except Gohan can't go ssj until his training in the Spirit and Time room. And he cuts his hair while training in there also. He has his long hair before that. But this is going no where so no point in even saying it. *shrugs*
Originally posted by dadudemon
This does nothing for your point and even borders on unrelated.
Yes, I know you're trying to argue the point that he did nothing because he did nothing in the past...but if you're making that point, then you're not aware of anything that happened in the Cell Games.My bad, ****ing sue me. 😆
But, no, you don't understand what happened. It was the straw that broke the camel's back. 😐
Factually incorrect. You don't remember his fight with Radditz, I guess.
Indeed. Meaning, plain and simple, that he wasn't a full power ssj, and most certainly wasn't at a point to where he could go SSJ2.
Thank you for proving my point on more than one level, sir.
Instead of arguing my position, you need to tell me WHY they are Full Power SSJ. Please, sir, tell me why they are FPSSJ. 🙂
does nothing & border unrelated? those alien things are unrelated then. He basically idolized piccolo up until his high school years, if anything I wouldn't be suprised if he worship him, if anything piccolo ever dying should've been super saiyan for him, just as krillin for goku.
just cause you got corrected don't get mad, no one likes a sore loser 😉
what fight with raditz? that one hard hit? like I said he may have put up a fight for a little while you must not have read what I posted? I'll guess no.
full powered ssj? They only achieved that through staying SSJ doing regular day things just getting use to it & really what did this full powered ssj have to do with anything I was saying? anyway you proved yourself wrong cell jrs. were beating everyone as well as cell beating gohan only thing he did was cry about it while everyone else complained to goku for this idea & he yelled at gohan to get angry.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
does nothing & border unrelated? those alien things are unrelated then. He basically idolized piccolo up until his high school years, if anything I wouldn't be suprised if he worship him, if anything piccolo ever dying should've been super saiyan for him, just as krillin for goku.
Akira originally intended for Goku to be the original super saiyan in his writing up through the Freeza Saga. This included reaching a certain base power level first, as mentioned by Vegeta on more than one occasion.
Knowing this, it was never in the plans to create any other Super Saiyan other than Goku.
This is why Gohan never went ape shit Super Saiyan.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
just cause you got corrected don't get mad, no one likes a sore loser 😉
Now you're just being a dick. I was rather light hearted about it. BTW, I've been correcting you in this thread, the entire time. 😉
Originally posted by SpadeKing
what fight with raditz?
I'll give you a hint: there were three fights with Radditz. Try and guess which one I'm referring too. 🙂
Originally posted by SpadeKing
that one hard hit? like I said he may have put up a fight for a little while you must not have read what I posted? I'll guess no.
I did read and fully understand your simple post. You just don't understand mine.
Let me illustrate it for you:
You said:
Originally posted by SpadeKing
Gohan seeing that even an android was caring about the safety & well being of others and the planet was what really set him off cause apparently seeing his dad & everyone else get beaten nearly to death doesn't.
With a special emphasis on "the planet was what really set him off cause apparently seeing his dad & everyone else get beaten nearly to death doesn't."
Then I replied with:
Originally posted by dadudemon
Factually incorrect. You don't remember his fight with Radditz, I guess.
Has it dawned on you yet? Do you finally understand?
Originally posted by dadudemon
full powered ssj? They only achieved that through staying SSJ doing regular day things just getting use to it & really what did this full powered ssj have to do with anything I was saying?
You should stop posting in here. You're much to ignorant of DBZ to have a legit opinion on anything in this thread. Seriously. 😐
They emerged from the HBTC as Full Power SSJs. They most certainly did NOT obtain that state AFTER leaving the HBTC.
Originally posted by dadudemon
anyway you proved yourself wrong cell jrs. were beating everyone as well as cell beating gohan only thing he did was cry about it while everyone else complained to goku for this idea & he yelled at gohan to get angry.
No, I most certainly didn't. Someone in this conversation has a comprehension problem.
Please observe exhibit A:
Originally posted by dadudemon
It was the straw that broke the camel's back. 😐
I guess you forgot about this when I posted it? Understandable that you would have forgotten it already as you've clearly demonstrated that you don't remember thing properly from DBZ, so why would I expect you to remember something from a few posts ago?
Now, why would I be talking about full power ssjs NOT being in movie 8? Why would that even be a point?
I want you to sit there and think about there for a bit before you post again, revealing your foolery and ignorance.
If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were a troll like Whirly. It wouldn't be the first time he has argued and made retarded points, just to get reactions from people. He's done it in the comic sections on more than one occasion.
If you're him, you got me. 😆 If you're not him, you're much too ignorant to be talking about DBZ, so stop. 😬
dadudemon I already given up on you 😐
gohan didn't fight raditz he just hit him one time real hard end of match.
right after leaving HBTC Goku said they were not planning on returning & they were gonna stay outside as suer saiyans to get use to it get your facts right.
wow I would really care more for another planet over my parents, friends & idol, that logic phails.
they did not emerge from hyerbolic as FPSSJ watch the episodes again, he wanted to remain in super saiyan throughout common life things to get more used to the state. they most certaintly DID achieve it afterwards.
If you want proof I can post up the video for you unless you're to ignorant to watch that? end of conversation now go sit in corner.
Originally posted by SpadeKingActually they began staying in ssj mode during the Spirit And Time Room training. Once Gohan was able to go ssj easier. So they achieved it before leaving. They remained in that state while training for almost a year, and while resting for that week or so.
they did not emerge from hyerbolic as FPSSJ watch the episodes again, he wanted to remain in super saiyan throughout common life things to get more used to the state. they most certaintly DID achieve it afterwards.If you want proof I can post up the video for you unless you're to ignorant to watch that? end of conversation now go sit in corner.
Originally posted by Kento
Actually they began staying in ssj mode during the Spirit And Time Room training. Once Gohan was able to go ssj easier. So they achieved it before leaving. They remained in that state while training for almost a year, and while resting for that week or so.
but that resting week was what got their bodies use to super saiyan more, everytime after one of them finished with their super saiyan fights they were tired beyond belief. (Excluding trunk's fight with frieza)
really that week was more of getting rid of their quick ki consumption & use to the altered small behavior problems it caused or in vegeta's case large. If they were really already at that level they could've atleast trained once more but really I don't know what else they did in the hyerbolic time chamber or what happen with gohan's haircut.
I just remember him saying they were gonna stay out & get use to the super saiyan body. (not exact words)
Originally posted by SpadeKingBut that was just Gokou's answer to the Z fighters wasn't it? Because Gokou tells Gohan they are going to stay ssj to get use to it while in the room. They rested while in the room also, one of Gokou's major things about training is to not over-train. At least that's what he tells Gohan. Which is probably why Vegeta is weaker, he trains constantly without resting periods.
but that resting week was what got their bodies use to super saiyan more, everytime after one of them finished with their super saiyan fights they were tired beyond belief. (Excluding trunk's fight with frieza)really that week was more of getting rid of their quick ki consumption & use to the altered small behavior problems it caused or in vegeta's case large. If they were really already at that level they could've atleast trained once more but really I don't know what else they did in the hyerbolic time chamber or what happen with gohan's haircut.
I just remember him saying they were gonna stay out & get use to the super saiyan body. (not exact words)