Originally posted by carver9
Everything that you have said is true but the difference is, rulk isnt meant to be a permanent character, so he really dont need all of back story to make him interesting since he's going to be out for a short time period.Maybe when we find out who he is that would help on telling us why he's doing what he's doing and again, I'm not seeing anything crappy about what he's doing, he has the strength, speed, durability and powerset to avoid it being PIS IMO.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You know Cain did that too but when he was mad he punched through dimensional doors with ease. Cain will always have him beat in viciousness until I see him kill a kid on purpose. Well classic Cain, don't know if current Cain is willing to do that. Also Doom would **** him up if he tried to invade Latveria before the Asgardians could even move.Because Galactus is higher than anything he ever fought.
I never said that cain wasnt capable of doing ANYTHING. Hell, in one book it was stated that Cytorrak blessed cain with UNLIMITED strength and thats not even counting his durability.
Doctor Strange read the future and saw that every hero/villian died by the hands of the juggernaut due to his unstoppable rampage and asked cain to change his ways.
Lets not even talk about him taking every attack from the xmen walking through them. Lets not bring up juggernaut walking through the god blast or him shrugging off attacks from the exemplers.
Then his speed is downplayed: I have 3 comics where he actually blitzed someone (read the one where bastion puts a bomb in cyclops chest that was coated with nanites).
Juggernaut has potential, he just doesnt use it.
Doom is overrated, I'm not even going to respond to that comment.
No one is arguing that rulk can take galactus.
Originally posted by carver9
Doctor Strange read the future and saw that every hero/villian died by the hands of the juggernaut due to his unstoppable rampage and asked cain to change his ways.
Something I can never see happening, especially that there are some beings from Earth that make Cytorrak an insect. That was just extremely exaggerated. His powers are not capable of doing something like that.
Originally posted by Xplosive
If, when they reveal his character, it won't be interesting anymore. He should stay a mystery and a mystery why he is so angry at Hulk. He should stay known as the destroyer.
I agree with this but that would also help explain a lot. His identity was almost reveal when he was fight Abomb and the scanner was scanning his eye.
Originally posted by carver9
I never said that cain wasnt capable of doing ANYTHING. Hell, in one book it was stated that Cytorrak blessed cain with UNLIMITED strength and thats not even counting his durability.Doctor Strange read the future and saw that every hero/villian died by the hands of the juggernaut due to his unstoppable rampage and asked cain to change his ways.
Lets not even talk about him taking every attack from the xmen walking through them. Lets not bring up juggernaut walking through the god blast or him shrugging off attacks from the exemplers.
Then his speed is downplayed: I have 3 comics where he actually blitzed someone (read the one where bastion puts a bomb in cyclops chest that was coated with nanites).
Juggernaut has potential, he just doesnt use it.
Doom is overrated, I'm not even going to respond to that comment.
No one is arguing that rulk can take galactus.
Was talking to Xplosive.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Something I can never see happening, especially that there are some beings from Earth that make Cytorrak an insect. That was just extremely exaggerated. His powers are not capable of doing something like that.
5 Earth heroes or villains that trump Cyttorak? You may not see him doing that but he can. Dude punched through dimensional walls, something Rulk can't do. You're basically saying his powers are incapable of killing people.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Something I can never see happening, especially that there are some beings from Earth that make Cytorrak an insect. That was just extremely exaggerated. His powers are not capable of doing something like that.
And why is that since he is basically true invulnerability. Magic cant stop him, physical force cant stop him and bfring him is questionable since he came back under his own power when thor bfred him.
Its questionable if his strength has a cap and then he has things that already increase his amazing durability.
Doomsday almost killed every being on dc earth and juggernaut>doomsday (in my opinion) so why cant he copy doomsdays process by physically beating everyone to death?
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
5 Earth heroes or villains that trump Cyttorak? You may not see him doing that but he can. Dude punched through dimensional walls, something Rulk can't do. You're basically saying his powers are incapable of killing people.
I don't know, but you are always twisting my words. It was said every hero/villain would die by Cain hands. I mean, they wouldn't be able to stop stupid Cain? Yeah right. And Cain is not Cytorrak himself.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
5 Earth heroes or villains that trump Cyttorak?
You mean from Earth currently or ever?
Originally posted by carver9
And why is that since he is basically true invulnerability. Magic cant stop him, physical force cant stop him and bfring him is questionable since he came back under his own power when thor bfred him.Its questionable if his strength has a cap and then he has things that already increase his amazing durability.
Doomsday almost killed every being on dc earth and juggernaut>doomsday (in my opinion) so why cant he copy doomsdays process by physically beating everyone to death?
I don't know why you think that, but for experienced comic readers a true invulnerability doesn't exist. Juggernaut has high invulnerability, but he isn't truly invulnerable. And, no, even with Cain rampage, Earth villains/heros would stop him easily. He isn't capable of that. It would be found a way that Cytorrak himself would be stopped let alone Cain.
For someone like HOM Wanda it isn't exaggareted somethinh like that, but not an insect Cain compared to such power.
And Dr. Strange himself could stop him.
Originally posted by Xplosive
I don't know, but you are always twisting my words. It was said every hero/villain would die by Cain hands. I mean, they wouldn't be able to stop stupid Cain? Yeah right. And Cain is not Cytorrak himself.You mean from Earth currently or ever?
Didn't twist anything I just think you don't understand the full potential of The Juggernaut. They would stop Cain if he was like he usually is but a fully focused and determined Cain would be near impossible.
How about 5 from both.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Didn't twist anything I just think you don't understand the full potential of The Juggernaut. They would stop Cain if he was like he usually is but a fully focused and determined Cain would be near impossible.
How? Full potential of Cain would only mean him going constantly on a rampage, but would that let's say protect him from telepathy.
Combined heros/villains would stop him easily. And like I said, Cain power is derived from Cytorrak. He only uses some power of Cytorrak, like SS is from Galactus.
Originally posted by Xplosive
I don't know why you think that, but for experienced comic readers a true invulnerability doesn't exist. Juggernaut has high invulnerability, but he isn't truly invulnerable. And, no, even with Cain rampage, Earth villains/heros would stop him easily. He isn't capable of that. It would be found a way that Cytorrak himself would be stopped let alone Cain.
For someone like HOM Wanda it isn't exaggareted somethinh like that, but not an insect Cain compared to such power.
And Dr. Strange himself could stop him.
The only way to stop Cyttorak is to banish him to the Crimson Cosmos...
Oblivion couldn't keep Cain dead, neither could she. Someone who obviously couldn't get rid of all of the mutants like she said.
Originally posted by Xplosive
How? Full potential of Cain would only mean him going constantly on a rampage, but would that let's say protect him from telepathy.Combined heros/villains would stop him easily.
His helmet and forcefield maybe? Cain at his highest powerlevel was punching through dimensional walls with ease.
Originally posted by Xplosive
I don't know why you think that, but for experienced comic readers a true invulnerability doesn't exist. Juggernaut has high invulnerability, but he isn't truly invulnerable. And, no, even with Cain rampage, Earth villains/heros would stop him easily. He isn't capable of that. It would be found a way that Cytorrak himself would be stopped let alone Cain.
For someone like HOM Wanda it isn't exaggareted somethin like that, but not an insect Cain compared to such power.
I agree, cain can be damaged, never said that he couldnt (everyone invulnerability has a limit) BUT the only thing that i have seen damage him is magic and he heal instantly.
Juggernaut took one of the most powerful attacks on Marvel earth and walked through it as if it was nothing; so again, please tell me how they're stopping him if one of earths most powerful being couldnt.
Originally posted by Xplosive
I don't know why you think that, but for experienced comic readers a true invulnerability doesn't exist. Juggernaut has high invulnerability, but he isn't truly invulnerable. And, no, even with Cain rampage, Earth villains/heros would stop him easily. He isn't capable of that. It would be found a way that Cytorrak himself would be stopped let alone Cain.
For someone like HOM Wanda it isn't exaggareted somethinh like that, but not an insect Cain compared to such power.
And Dr. Strange himself could stop him.
Dr strange has tried and failed already and this was one of the most powerful versions of strange (classic). Juggernaut busted through EVERYTHING that he put up or threw at him.
HOM wanda, I agree but she wasnt around when that statement was said.