Originally posted by Darth_noodle
*sigh* -_________________- *SLaps self on the face*
Ok Ok....Wolvie does not have Adamantium.
Forget all the details, just Who is the most skilled martial artist.
so,were talking bone claw wolverine without hf and claws? h2h? well, removing the extra weight wolverine would be much faster and stronger than he is with the adamantium skeleton.
wolverine takes this.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
so,were talking bone claw wolverine without hf and claws? h2h? well, removing the extra weight wolverine would be much faster and stronger than he is with the adamantium skeleton.wolverine takes this.
His HF hones him to superhuman levels. Those by-products wouldn't fade away that fast.
So yes, he would be faster.
He wouldn't be stronger, though. The presence of the adamantium negates the natural structural limits of his bones.
Still, his bones are a lot tougher than those of your average Joe. They're on par with his claws.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
His HF hones him to superhuman levels. Those by-products wouldn't fade away that fast.So yes, he would be faster.
He wouldn't be stronger, though. The presence of the adamantium negates the natural structural limits of his bones.
Still, his bones are a lot tougher than those of your average Joe. They're on par with his claws.
meh,still wolverine.
Does Captain America still have his super soldier formula because if he does he also has accelerated healing not as advanced as Wolverine but still beyond human healing and the formula makes him as physically perfect as it is possible for a human to be. Batman loses by simple matters of experience. Wolverine has been fighting since the 1800's the Captain has been fighting since WWI. Batman just cant compete without massive amounts of gadgets.
If you are going to make them all = have no upgrades beyond pure fighting skill I have to give it to Wolverine. He has the experience as does the Captain but he is also a natural born killer and the Captain isn't Wolverine has the killer instinct that will give him the edge in the fight and if you remove his regeneration right before the fight he will still be at the peak of human limitations that the healing brings him to. Wolverine ranks first Captain 2nd and Batman needs a few decades as well as a bunch of armor to catch up
Originally posted by Uriel005
Does Captain America still have his super soldier formula because if he does he also has accelerated healing not as advanced as Wolverine but still beyond human healing and the formula makes him as physically perfect as it is possible for a human to be. Batman loses by simple matters of experience. Wolverine has been fighting since the 1800's the Captain has been fighting since WWI. Batman just cant compete without massive amounts of gadgets.
If you are going to make them all = have no upgrades beyond pure fighting skill I have to give it to Wolverine. He has the experience as does the Captain but he is also a natural born killer and the Captain isn't Wolverine has the killer instinct that will give him the edge in the fight and if you remove his regeneration right before the fight he will still be at the peak of human limitations that the healing brings him to. Wolverine ranks first Captain 2nd and Batman needs a few decades as well as a bunch of armor to catch up
Experience can only get you so far, how many times someone has thrown a punch at you in your life IS NOT pure basis for whether you win a fight. In a PURE Martial Arts sense, baring in mind Wolverines Age/experience, what martial artist has Wolverine held his own against (discarding all the ones where his healing factor/claws/senses/adamantium came into play in a tide turning way) that Batman couldn't? What does wolverine Know about martial arts that Batman doesnt know? The way you were talking about experience you make it seem like the more fights you've had the better fighter you are. After a certain number that logic goes right out the window.
Let me put it another way. If they all had the same body to work with... picking a winner would come down to whose shorts you liked better.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Experience can only get you so far, how many times someone has thrown a punch at you in your life IS NOT pure basis for whether you win a fight. In a PURE Martial Arts sense, baring in mind Wolverines Age/experience, what martial artist has Wolverine held his own against (discarding all the ones where his healing factor/claws/senses/adamantium came into play in a tide turning way) that Batman couldn't? What does wolverine Know about martial arts that Batman doesnt know? The way you were talking about experience you make it seem like the more fights you've had the better fighter you are. After a certain number that logic goes right out the window.Let me put it another way. If they all had the same body to work with... picking a winner would come down to whose shorts you liked better.
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Originally posted by Uriel005
(...) and if you remove his regeneration right before the fight he will still be at the peak of human limitations that the healing brings him to.
Actually he's quite above human limitations.
Originally posted by Juk3n
In a PURE Martial Arts sense, baring in mind Wolverines Age/experience, what martial artist has Wolverine held his own against (discarding all the ones where his healing factor/claws/senses/adamantium came into play in a tide turning way) that Batman couldn't?
Shang-Chi. Logan didn't use the claws till the very end.
"Marvel's Bane" - Crossbones. He one-shotted him. I don't think Batman could do that (w/o batkick).
Originally posted by Mindset
That was post on the first page.
No, this one wasn't.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Originally posted by JakeTheBankif jinzin, battlehammer, or srankmissingnin see this, prepare for a scan/paragraph blitzkrieg proving otherwise.
One thing that always strikes me odd, is that while Logan has apparently all of this skill and mastered arts of hand to hand combat, he rarely utilizes it. Rather he just either beserkers or just claws and slashes. I know he can use the skill, it just seems like he doesn't.I think Cap would be the favorite due to his physical superiority. Batman would be next in line because of his skill set, with Logan coming in third.
in short, logan has tons of "non-savage" skill feats, one, if not the main reason he went to japan was to rid himself of his inner rage.
Ok I forget the issue it is in but Wolverine is far beyond brute force. In the danger room Cable actually scanned his mental and physical output and compared it to an olympic athlete performing a gold medal sweep routine while simultaneously beating 4 chess supercomputers at the same time. Go to the link and read Logans abilities http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Wolverine_(James_%22Logan%22_Howlett) now compare that to Captain America http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Captain_America_(Steven_Rogers) and finally batman http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Bruce_Wayne_(Earth-One)#Powers_and_Abilities
Batman is in good shape for a man of his stature. Wolverine and Captain America are at the pinacle of human strength speed and agility for their size.
Also Experience does count numb nuts it is a huge deciding factor in any fight. Just because Batman knows the techniques and styles he simply has not had the time that Wolverine and Captain America have had to ingrain it so thoroughly as to move beyond the need for conscious thought in order to block or attack.
Wolverine and Captain America without any modifications I'd have to say are nearly equal but Wolverine is willing to do whatever it takes to win and will not have a care in the world Captain America will hesitate to be as brutal as Wolverine in a fight do to his personal ethics in a fight. Not to say Wolverine lacks a code of honor but he is a natural born killer and it is that instinct and willlingness that will win him the fight.
Originally posted by Uriel005
Go to the link and read Logans abilities http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Wolverine_(James_%22Logan%22_Howlett) now compare that to Captain America http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Captain_America_(Steven_Rogers) and finally batman http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Bruce_Wayne_(Earth-One)#Powers_and_Abilities
First of all, LOL. at wiki being your reference, and second..
Also Experience does count numb nuts it is a huge deciding factor in any fight. Just because Batman knows the techniques and styles he simply has not had the time that Wolverine and Captain America have had to ingrain it so thoroughly as to move beyond the need for conscious thought in order to block or attack.
Read more Batman, numb nuts. Where was wolverines experience when Elektra Handed him his ass, has she been going as long as him? I didnt say experince was nothing, i said that after a while, its value diminishes. Mike Tyson was 20 and world champ..he wasn't the most experienced fighter in the circuit was he? Some fighters had 5,6,7 years on him, they were still in there prime in theri mid 20's and he beat them , why? Certainly not experience pal.
And lol Batman not being able to take Crossbones. Based on Feats is that really viable?
Originally posted by Uriel005
Ok I forget the issue it is in but Wolverine is far beyond brute force. In the danger room Cable actually scanned his mental and physical output and compared it to an olympic athlete performing a gold medal sweep routine while simultaneously beating 4 chess supercomputers at the same time.
Wolverine v2 #51.
That was Forge, not Cable.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Batman not being able to take Crossbones. Based on Feats is that really viable?
Where did I say that? 😕 I said that he wouldn't be able to one-shot him.
