Originally posted by Kaos sebaceous
Keaton has a more durable suit than bales?.......did you see bales it looked sick
So the cosmetics of the suit determines durability?
Originally posted by jrodslam
NO, Ledger was NOT going to kill everyone in the hospital. It was all part of him plan. He WANTED them to get evacuated just so he can get close to Harvey. Wait wait. He was shown to be a talented fighter? Are you serious? A talented? Jacks would shoot Ledgers Joker just because his smile was phony.
IIRC Joker's only h2h feats would be beating a cop off screen, hitting Batman with a lead pipe while he was distracted and owning some random goon with a pencil.
Originally posted by jrodslam1. Dumb luck. Not applicable in a vs. match.
1. Call it whatever you want. Bats was locked on, and Jack didnt move one bit.2. Yea and Ledgers Joker had trouble hitting a moving target.😬 Jacks Joker appeared to have better aim at least.
3. See above.
4. Gimmick shit? The flower had a rang of at least 5 feet. Jacks Joker also had the hand buzzer. It would be a wrap for Ledgers Joker. Effective fighter? Didnt Ledgers Joker only get Bats on the floor after he was distracted?
2. Ledger's Joker only had trouble hitting an armored car in a high-speed chase...
3. See above.
4. FIVE FEET? HOLY SHIT!!! A gun has a range of...Well it really does not matter, more than five feet. As for the hand buzzer...That involves getting close to Ledger, which is not good for Jack. Yeah. And Jack's only H2H feat is hurting his hand while punching Batman.
Originally posted by jrodslamLedger for the lulz kidnapped and tortured a fat Batman wannabe before hanging him from a rope dead to frighten Gotham and send a message to Batman. He was forcing two ships, one of inmates, one of normal citizens including small children, to make a decision to kill everyone in the other ship, and if they did not make a choice within I think thirty minutes, he destroyed both ships. Jack could never claim to have fvcked with so many people's minds in that way, nor has he done something so deranged. He made hostages appear to be armed guards, who were basically going to be meat-bags, and his real henchmen were disguised as hostages. That is being deranged. Jack has NOTHING on this in terms of being deranged and morally deprived.
What? Far more psychotic and deranged? Jacks Joker killed tons of people in the movie. The man made a chemical and poisoned an entire batch of products that hundreds of people used and were already exposed to without even knowing it. Then, he had the balls to go on tv and tell ppl. Threw a parade to give away money, yet killed many of those same people at the same time. Please les not compare body counts because Jacks Joker wins by a nice margin in that department.
Originally posted by jrodslamStronger? Bale's Batman through Ras Al Ghul with one arm, Liam Neeson weighs about 200 pounds. Keaton takes beatings from normal thugs. Bale beats down trained martial artist ninjaz. More durable suit? How?
Note: Keatons Batman was both stronger and had a more durable suit than Bales. Id put money that Ledgers Joker would hurt his hand as well.
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Dumb luck. Not applicable in a vs. match.2. Ledger's Joker only had trouble hitting an armored car in a high-speed chase...
3. See above.
4. FIVE FEET? HOLY SHIT!!! A gun has a range of...Well it really does not matter, more than five feet. As for the hand buzzer...That involves getting close to Ledger, which is not good for Jack. Yeah. And Jack's only H2H feat is hurting his hand while punching Batman.
1. I dont know what to call it, but i wouldnt call it luck. That shit was.....aura ish, lol.
2. The case wasnt that highspeed, but i can let that one go.
3. See, thing is, Jacks Joker had a gun to. Thus saying Ledgers Joker just shoots Jacks Joker can go the other way as well. Im just bringing up other weapons Jacks Joker had on hand. As far as Jacks Joker hurting his hand, ive already addressed that. Im sure Ledgers Joker would hurt his hand just the same.
don't knock the hand buzzer on roids, that thing completely desiccated that crime boss guy in 10 seconds flat. and the guy was useless in terms of defense once it was activated, ledger would be done if he made skin contact with it.
he also had; the acid spraying flower that had decent range; the portable flame throwing zippo; teh collapsible bustah gun; and a fake hand and teeth (shut up, it was useful)
Originally posted by NemeBro
Ledger for the lulz kidnapped and tortured a fat Batman wannabe before hanging him from a rope dead to frighten Gotham and send a message to Batman. He was forcing two ships, one of inmates, one of normal citizens including small children, to make a decision to kill everyone in the other ship, and if they did not make a choice within I think thirty minutes, he destroyed both ships. Jack could never claim to have fvcked with so many people's minds in that way, nor has he done something so deranged. He made hostages appear to be armed guards, who were basically going to be meat-bags, and his real henchmen were disguised as hostages. That is being deranged. Jack has NOTHING on this in terms of being deranged and morally deprived.
Speaking of for the lulz. Jacks Joker saw that Bats was getting a bunch of attention in the press. He decided to put chemicals in an entire batch of city used products just to kill people slowly. Out of attraction, he killed an entire museum/restaurant to to get close to a woman. Ledgers Joker wanted to put fear into people and try to prove that ppl are like him in ways, and he HOPED theyd kill each other. He depended on it, whereas Jacks Joker would have just killed them.
Jacks Joker couldnt mess with peoples minds? Not to long after killing a man in cold blood with the press there, in public, in daytime, the man interrupted the mayors/harveys speech and made the people go against Bats. He made them get on his side. Told them he was giving away a million dollars in a celebration. Made the people trust him, just in turn to try and kill them all and get at Bats at the same time. The thing Ledgers Joker did with the guards was a nice tactic, however not many ppl knew about that. Imagine sitting down and watching the new with your family and the news broadcaster starts laughing after her partners mentions ppl dying? Then she continues to laugh hysterically until she has a permanent smile and dies? Just for everyone to see. That my friend is more deranged than anything Ledgers Joker did. To know that my hair, face and body products have been tainted and ive already started to use it? Lol.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Stronger? Bale's Batman through Ras Al Ghul with one arm, Liam Neeson weighs about 200 pounds. Keaton takes beatings from normal thugs. Bale beats down trained martial artist ninjaz. More durable suit? How?
Yup, stronger. In the beginning on the movie, Keatons Batman took the guy and held him at the edge of the building ledge. The man had to have weighed over 200lbs. Also, at the end, when he and Vale were holding on the the side of the building and Vale got tricked by Jokers fake hand, Bats with one hand, caught her and lifter her up so she can get her grip again. All while holding on with one hand himself. Keaton takes beatings from normal thungs? Some of Jokers thugs actually had skill(guy with swords in alley, black dude in church tower). More durable suit for the fact that he took point black gun shots. For the fact that he had armored areas when he could deflect both bullets and swords. He wasnt effected by body blows at all. He crashed in his plane. had it explode, just to walk out of it with only a minor face bruise.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix'
Nicholson's Joker had the balls to unmask himself on tv and call out Batman. Ledger didn't.
Actually, Jacks Joker put makeup on when he went on tv. His skin was actually chalk white, but to deceive the people, he covered it up with makeup and told them that he took it off.
Now this is deranged.
I do agree that killing with laughter and killing them slowly while they don't even know they're dying is more deranged than killing through fear or giving people the choice to kill others. Ledger seemed to want to turn Gotham on themselves. Jack seemed to want to have fun and kill off Gotham for his own enjoyment.
