College Has Become Big Business

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Then why did you just say the education is totally meaningless?

I didnt. Did you not read the rest of my post?

Originally posted by KidRock
I didnt. Did you not read the rest of my post?

You said that people who become rich don't need an education. All of them are smart enough to found a business on their own and become billionaires that way.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You said that people who become rich don't need an education. All of them are smart enough to found a business on their own and become billionaires that way.

And they usually dont.

Bill Gates is a good example.

Does anyone here believe that he would be any less successful today had he gone to community college instead of Harvard?

Originally posted by KidRock
And they usually dont.

Bill Gates is a good example.

Does anyone here believe that he would be any less successful today had he gone to community college instead of Harvard?

Yeah, definitely.

Originally posted by KidRock

Does anyone here believe that he would be any less successful today had he gone to community college instead of Harvard?

yes, but only because of the reputation one gains from going to university. id agree that beyond that universities are overrated. you dont have to be smart to flourish in a university, going to one isnt an indication of your intelligence only your ability to waste your own time.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
yes, but only because of the reputation one gains from going to university. id agree that beyond that universities are overrated. you dont have to be smart to flourish in a university, going to one isnt an indication of your intelligence only your ability to waste your own time.

This I agree with.

No matter how smart you are, there's always some nerd that will do better than you that has tons of time and all they due is study study study and do homework. Some people are motivated. What's crappy is some people are much more capabale of working in the real world over that nerd example, yet they play around and do just enough to pass.

Originally posted by KidRock
And they usually dont.

Bill Gates is a good example.

Does anyone here believe that he would be any less successful today had he gone to community college instead of Harvard?

In other threads you keep saying "If you can't find a job you need to get more education" and here you're claiming education is useless. Make up your mind.

Originally posted by King Kandy
You're using Bill Gates as an example of something that "usually" happens? He was on a different level then anyone else, hence why he was the richest guy on earth and those other motivated dropouts weren't.

In other threads you keep saying "If you can't find a job you need to get more education" and here you're claiming education is useless. Make up your mind.

Originally posted by Bardock42
He wasn't above anyone else, he was good, but he wasn't above them. Yeah, the guy is smart, but there was a shitload of luck involved in his stellar career.

however, wouldn't by that same definition, each person's life be the end result of exceptional circumstances?

I get what you are trying to say, but pinning success on chance isn't, imho, the all to it. Sure, there may be people as smart as Gates, but smarts are a tool, and he as an individual used them in the right circumstances to be successful. He does deserve credit for that, regardless of luck.

Originally posted by inimalist
however, wouldn't by that same definition, each person's life be the end result of exceptional circumstances?

I get what you are trying to say, but pinning success on chance isn't, imho, the all to it. Sure, there may be people as smart as Gates, but that is just a tool he as an individual used in the circumstances he was presented with.

I think we can draw a difference in things that we achieve through our own ability and work and things we achieve through other people giving us chances and, especially, every variation of those two together.

Yes Bill Gates was smart, Bill Gates was able to cash in the opportunities he was presented with, but we also have to say that, regardless of his skill, due to some circumstances he had it easier to succeed than other's on his level.

Seen your edit, seems we agree.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Seen your edit, seems we agree.

quite

I agree Bill Gates used skill to do what he did but it seemed KidRock was trying to say that ANYONE who was smart like Bill Gates could easily do what he did.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I agree Bill Gates used skill to do what he did but it seemed KidRock was trying to say that ANYONE who was smart like Bill Gates could easily do what he did.

Obviously they chose to be born in a place where those opportunities wouldn't present themselves.

Originally posted by KidRock
Agreed.

I always laugh the hardest at the "Business Administration" or "Finance" majors that automatically assume they will be millionaires. I have friends who go to really good private business schools and they're just like this. One of them just smokes weed and gets 2.7 gpa's and thinks he will be rich as all hell. 90% of them will be corporate middle management whores, 9% will be upper management with a good salary and 1% will become CEO's and billionaires. Which is irrelevant because if you're intelligent enough to reach CEO status and become a billionaire then you're smart enough to start your own business from scratch without the degree and become a billionaire on your own.

Where are you getting those numbers?

Originally posted by King Kandy
You're using Bill Gates as an example of something that "usually" happens? He was on a different level then anyone else, hence why he was the richest guy on earth and those other motivated dropouts weren't.

In other threads you keep saying "If you can't find a job you need to get more education" and here you're claiming education is useless. Make up your mind.

Hence the reason I said like the top 1%.

And no im not, learn reading comprehension.

Originally posted by KidRock
Hence the reason I said like the top 1%.

And no im not, learn reading comprehension.

Maybe you should learn to stop being a ****ing hypocrite.

Originally posted by King Kandy
So you think 90% of people with high education will get worthless jobs... And yet you think people should educate themselves.

Maybe you should learn to stop being a ****ing hypocrite.

Superficially, a contradiction exists.

I see no actual contradiction in what he has said.

In other thread, when asked about people who only get sucky jobs, he said they had to educate themselves better. And yet here he says even those who do educate themselves will get sucky jobs. That is definitely a contradiction.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Where are you getting those numbers?

87.4% of statistical percentages posted on forums are arbitrarily made on the spot by the poster.