Originally posted by Starscream M
galactus can't even take earth...and he's wanted to badly on several occasionsyet he's gonna eat asgard for lunch? gimme a break
for every high feat galactus has had, he's easily had a couple more low-ball feats. galactus' average showing is certainly not far above Odin, who's been able to destroy entire universes before iirc.
First time with Fantastic Four Reed had the UN and a bargain was struck that kept Galactus from devouring it, Second Time Galactus was as you say yourself beaten by Earths heroes (and he was weak after (yet again) having chased Terrax across the universe), which he, his third time, manhandles, before SS made a new bargain with Galactus. Two times bargains and one time Plot. 😬 In a Alternate reality, direct following the scenario of the second Time, Galactus eats earth without any problems. Same in Heroes Reborn, Same with two seperate realities in one Galactus eats earth (SS takes away the UN, and Earths heroes are powerless) the other time only because Uatu "sacrifice" himself is Earth Spared... Lastly how good would it look if Galactus in Fantastic four 48?
He did so in MC 2 without any apparent problems.
IIRC Odin has never destroyed Entire Universes.
Originally posted by Utrigitathe fact that earth was able to even bargain galactus out of eating it proves the limitations of his power
First time with Fantastic Four Reed had the UN and a bargain was struck that kept Galactus from devouring it, Second Time Galactus was as you say yourself beaten by Earths heroes (and he was weak after (yet again) having chased Terrax across the universe), which he, his third time, manhandles, before SS made a new bargain with Galactus. Two times bargains and one time Plot. 😬 In a Alternate reality, direct following the scenario of the second Time, Galactus eats earth without any problems. Same in Heroes Reborn, Same with two seperate realities in one Galactus eats earth (SS takes away the UN, and Earths heroes are powerless) the other time only because Uatu "sacrifice" himself is Earth Spared... Lastly how good would it look if Galactus in Fantastic four 48?He did so in MC 2 without any apparent problems.
IIRC Odin has never destroyed Entire Universes.
do you bargain with ants if they crawl up your sandwich? no, you flick them away
but the earth heroes proved to be formidable enough to at least stall galactus.
Im not saying he isn't powerful...but I don't think he is far beyond Odin, and with destroyer armor, I see them as pretty equal in terms of a fight.
Even in the current god hunter arc, even BRB, a being far below Odin, is threatening Galactus
Originally posted by Starscream M
the fact that earth was able to even bargain galactus out of eating it proves the limitations of his powerdo you bargain with ants if they crawl up your sandwich? no, you flick them away
but the earth heroes proved to be formidable enough to at least stall galactus.
Im not saying he isn't powerful...but I don't think he is far beyond Odin, and with destroyer armor, I see them as pretty equal in terms of a fight.
Even in the current god hunter arc, even BRB, a being far below Odin, is threatening Galactus
I'm sure that Galactus was more then willing to try and take the Ultimate Nullifier if it wasn't for the fact that he could have blasted the entire Universe to bits with it!
Which Galactus have done in every other instance save earth 😬 And as mentioned have done multiply time in alternate realities.
A Galactus that only wanted to fed and that Showed that he could with the smallest effort of will kill the SS if he wanted.
I respect that, I think it's wrong but I respect it.
And Thor with the Thorforce wouldn't even at the highest of his power undertake the task of helping BRB.
Originally posted by Starscream M
the fact that earth was able to even bargain galactus out of eating it proves the limitations of his powerdo you bargain with ants if they crawl up your sandwich? no, you flick them away
but the earth heroes proved to be formidable enough to at least stall galactus.
You obviously haven't read enough Galactus
1)Galactus has shown moral objections at times (other times he hasn't) to devouring inhabited worlds. When so he only does because there's no alternative. The writing is inconsistant here.
2)In Galactus the Devourer earth's heros attack hum in unison but have no effect on him. He doesn't respond in kind because as the Surfer says "It would elevate their importance too high in his eyes".
G only bargained with the Surfer because he wanted the Surfer back as a willing herald, not because of any threat posed by earth's hero's.
Originally posted by Starscream M
the fact that earth was able to even bargain galactus out of eating it proves the limitations of his powerdo you bargain with ants if they crawl up your sandwich? no, you flick them away
but the earth heroes proved to be formidable enough to at least stall galactus.
Im not saying he isn't powerful...but I don't think he is far beyond Odin, and with destroyer armor, I see them as pretty equal in terms of a fight.
Even in the current god hunter arc, even BRB, a being far below Odin, is threatening Galactus
BRB outright stated nothing he could do would hurt Galactus =/
And as for Galactus not eating Earth, that's a lot to do with the fact that if he did everyone would die and Marvel would have no comics to make.
Originally posted by Naija boy
I dont know where people are getting this from, but Odin never created nor destroyed a universe.
And, Galactus wins. To reiterate.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I'm pretty sure what's being referenced is in Thor v2 where Thor, who now has the Odinforce, enters a pocket universe that was in all probability created by Odin. Then he explains that Thor hadn't been using the Odinforce to its full potential, etc...And, Galactus wins. To reiterate.
I honestly do not remember anything being said about it being a pocket universe (actually im sure it was never mentioned) let alone Odin being the one that created it. It seemed to simply be a dream sequence in which thor met Odin and Odin showed him the true power of the Odin force and creates a few planets and stars.
Originally posted by Utrigita
A Stranger that if I recall correctly had help from Master Order and Lord Chaos. Then it's lucky that we have Kubik mentioning him amongst them isn't it? We doesn't need to suppose anything 🙂
no . . . that's how he BEAT him. he stalemated him on his own. and again--go by hearsay all you'd like. feats are what matter and in terms of feats odin>>>>>>IB. in fact, IB has literally done NOTHING that would justify his being placed with high cosmics. unless you count barely holding his own against a very weak galactus (and in fact having to force g to a secific point to even win that fight at all!)
You can also work with the fact that In-Betweener needed to draw Galactus to a place inbetween the physical and the Magical Universe, where In-Betweener was at the height of his power, to gain a definitive upperhand, If I read the scan correct.
that's exactly correct. which only furthers the evidence that IB is NOT as powerful as some have made him out to be.
Originally posted by leonidas
no . . . that's how he BEAT him. he stalemated him on his own. and again--go by hearsay all you'd like. feats are what matter and in terms of feats odin>>>>>>IB. in fact, IB has literally done NOTHING that would justify his being placed with high cosmics. unless you count barely holding his own against a very weak galactus (and in fact having to force g to a secific point to even win that fight at all!)
Wasn't that Classic Strange? In terms of feats Odin is above you Average Celestial ... Calling Death and ordering her around, the power to summon the opposite of a being, any being in question it seems is a powerful ability. I don't.
Originally posted by leonidas
that's exactly correct. which only furthers the evidence that IB is NOT as powerful as some have made him out to be.
A matter of perspective I guess, while In-betweener got no feats to support him, he got the statements and a ridiculous powerful ability.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Make no mistake Utrigita and Tenebrous.I don't think that IB is more powerful than Galactus. But Galactus never "kicked his ass" as the only fight they had was relatively close.
Actually, you're the one who said this
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Dealt with the IB? I seem to recall it being quite the opposite.
Hence my bringing up artistic depiction, since someone's memory is a bit faulty. But you claim it as stupid, that's fine, as long as you acknowledge
1. The context of the situation
2. The falsity of your statement in regards to it being "quite the opposite" :/
And the one relatively close fight? It happened right after IB tried to kill Galactus with a blast, as well as G suffering from near death. The fact that the IB could only manage to stalemate him while fighting such a weakened G supports my point that G dealt with the IB, and IB is a mystical character who is above Odin with the destroyer armor.
Originally posted by leonidas
no . . . that's how he BEAT him. he stalemated him on his own. and again--go by hearsay all you'd like. feats are what matter and in terms of feats odin>>>>>>IB. in fact, IB has literally done NOTHING that would justify his being placed with high cosmics. unless you count barely holding his own against a very weak galactus (and in fact having to force g to a secific point to even win that fight at all!)that's exactly correct. which only furthers the evidence that IB is NOT as powerful as some have made him out to be.
The problem with that reasoning is
Odin>>>oneg the prober
Odin>>>ziran the tester
Odin>>>gammenon the gatherer
Odin>>>eson the seacher
and more, up to and including
Odin>>>One Above All (celestial leader)
all based on feats
Originally posted by Tenebrous
The problem with that reasoning isOdin>>>oneg the prober
Odin>>>ziran the tester
Odin>>>gammenon the gatherer
Odin>>>eson the seacherand more, up to and including
Odin>>>One Above All (celestial leader)
all based on feats
except . . . we KNOW that's not true because we've SEEN a direct confrontation between odin and the celestials. 😐
Originally posted by leonidas
except . . . we KNOW that's not true because we've SEEN a direct confrontation between odin and the celestials. 😐
I'm talking about individually. Any single celestial aside from scathan, possibly exitar and tiamut, are eclipsed by feats when compared to odin. Odin in the destroyer armor fought multiple celestials, not one.
My argument is that based on reasoning solely on feats, odin is above nearly any 1 single celestial, the OAA (celestial leader) included. The destroyer armor animated by odin and the rest of the asgardians fought the fourth celestial host, not any one single celestial.
For example, Odin NEVER fought the OAA directly, and Odin's feats>>>>OAA's. OAA didn't participate in the battle against the destroyer armor.
Yet going by your reasoning, you would have to say that Odin>>>OAA, based on feats.
Normally marvel uses statements and on panel descriptions of powerlevel as well as portrayed status in order to give us an idea of the powerlevels of high end cosmics who have had few appearances and hence not as many feats. Featwise Odin is also above Master order and Lord chaos but we know they r clearly more powerful than he is.(though in regards to this specific match imo featwise Odin isnt even above Galactus). In that situation solely using feats to judge them would be faulty because Marvel has placed Order and Chaos quite far above Odin in the cosmic hierachy but he has more feats because he has alot more showings.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
I'm talking about individually. Any single celestial aside from scathan, possibly exitar and tiamut, are eclipsed by feats when compared to odin. Odin in the destroyer armor fought multiple celestials, not one.My argument is that based on reasoning solely on feats, odin is above nearly any 1 single celestial, the OAA (celestial leader) included. The destroyer armor animated by odin and the rest of the asgardians fought the fourth celestial host, not any one single celestial.
For example, Odin NEVER fought the OAA directly, and Odin's feats>>>>OAA's. OAA didn't participate in the battle against the destroyer armor.
Yet going by your reasoning, you would have to say that Odin>>>OAA, based on feats.
nuh-uh. we can throw out all by feats in this case because . . . they ALREADY met. odin+a group of skylords couldn't even make arishem notice him. in the armor he wasn't able to take out ANY 'single' celestial. and that armor was empowered by a lot more than just the odinpower.
comparing odin and IB however is MUCH different. IB has next to zero good showings and quite the opposite the showings he has aren't very good. by contrast odin has dozens of uber feats. now, none of those feats would matter if we SAW odin get worked by IB.
since that has NOT happened, we use feats as opposed to simple hearsay. there is really no reason whatsoever to assume IB>odin. the opposite is true if we look at their histories.