Who was worse, Hitler for having the plan which was doing well till they started attacking folk,or the actual people on the ground who tortured, gassed, experimented on and other unbelievably nasty activities on people they didn´t like?
Another question could be if it was worth it , seeing as so many medical and technological advances were made due to the war?
Another silly question could be was he right seeing as the Catholic church supported him, and if they are gods representatives on the earth....
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Who was worse, Hitler for having the plan which was doing well till they started attacking folk,or the actual people on the ground who tortured, gassed, experimented on and other unbelievably nasty activities on people they didn´t like?
The Milgram experiments suggest that people's thoughts on the matter were largely subsumed by authority. Obviously still their fault for doing it, but certainly an expected response. Not to mention that the opportunity wouldn't have been there if Hitler didn't open it.
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Another question could be if it was worth it , seeing as so many medical and technological advances were made due to the war?
Good point, even the Nazis discovered some interesting stuff.
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Another silly question could be was he right seeing as the Catholic church supported him, and if they are gods representatives on the earth....
That's not a question.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I usually try to avoid these topics but that line was just plain stupid. Unless u a white supremacist/Nazi, Who would find inspirationon that bastard?!
its very easy to be inspired by megalomaniacs whether you belief in their views or not. military ppl draw inspiration from all sorts of ppl including hitler from his political tactics, war time planning and being able to control the masses.
just because someone hates a person it doesnt negate what they accomplish in life.
Alexander the great, Napoleon, ghengis gun, general Paton, and colonel custard..
some of them are examples of what to do and others not so much.
besides if it wasnt for hitler medical science may not have advance nor space travel and many other scientific area, we might still be half a decade behind with giant class tube computers and tv's....
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Who was worse, Hitler for having the plan which was doing well till they started attacking folk,or the actual people on the ground who tortured, gassed, experimented on and other unbelievably nasty activities on people they didn´t like?Another question could be if it was worth it , seeing as so many medical and technological advances were made due to the war?
Another silly question could be was he right seeing as the Catholic church supported him, and if they are gods representatives on the earth....
Well they fu** kids too.
If these people were god's representatives, then god clearly is a c**t. 🙂
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
hitler helped advance science human biology, eugenics and rockets science.
are you effing kidding? he slaughtered TENS OF MILLIONS of people. the nazi's were interested in the human body and its way of doing things, like most people are. however, most people do not use a living human being to experiment on - a nice combination of torture and evil medical science coming together as one.
the only [semi] good thing was that hitler knew how to gain the attention of his audience, and use words to convince a hell of a lot of germans that the way he saw things was the right way. ever heard of the nuremburg trials? "I only did what I was told to do." it didn't go over so well.
but from these speeches, other people who would be leaders took away that dramatic oratory is one of the best ways to arouse listless people into action. "Mr. Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!"
or "... a day which shall live on in infamy."
or "I had a dream..."
hitler had the gift of gab, but it was used for evil. it doesn't redeem him; in fact, it just makes people remember his madness more. since we know what he said, we know how the beginnings of one of history's greatest tragedies began. We can better understand it.
obviously, a lot of people remember those words. like a Mr. von Bruner, who still believed in them, shot a black security guard inside the holocaust museum.
hitler taught us that words are dangerous, he gave credence to the phrase 'the pen is mightier then the sword.'
but it's not just hitler who learned that, and for this, i am thankful.
ETA : dude. i so know who to call when i spot an annoying thread. 😛
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
just because you find the guy appalling doesnt mean he wasnt responsible for technological advancement where do you thing we be if not for WW2?its like the whole chaos theory and its ripple effect.
i'm saying that i'd rather live without things that have been discovered through appalling experiments.
and no, that is not just me wanting to present myself as 'moral.' that is a quite serious principle that i try to follow.
so now you're going to come at me with "well early americans did appalling things to the native americans; blah de blah did appalling things to blah de blah, at yet you live ____ which was once an native american territory."
there are some things, some necessary evils, that are and will be. i'm not happy about a lot of things, including a lot of american history; in fact i think that "we" or "They" or whoever knew what they were doing and that is was detestable yet they still did it.
instead of breezing over a horrifying experiment/treatment by saying "but it came out with so many good things!" uh-uh. i say "that was wrong, and i can't accept those means to get these ends.
