Originally posted by Tenebrous
don't forget americans gave you the concept and story of transformers . 🙄
The story, yeah.... The concept, no.
The Japanse firm Takara are to thank there.
I have a few good American friends and Im a big fan of so much about the place....the until recently dominant right wing Fox news culture thing is the thing that annoys.
But its not the American people's fault.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
As long as Megatrons size stays consistent i don't care what happens to him. I still feel cheated from the first movie. Did Bay not think anyone would notice that Megatron changed sizes from scene to scene?
Originally posted by Tenebrous
don't forget americans gave you the concept and story of transformers . 🙄
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
The story, yeah.... The concept, no.The Japanse firm Takara are to thank there.
I have a few good American friends and Im a big fan of so much about the place....the until recently dominant right wing Fox news culture thing is the thing that annoys.
But its not the American people's fault.
The concept of Transformers is a race of robotic aliens involved in their own war, etc., with two very distinct factions that were created specifically by Budiansky and his team at Marvel, whom Hasbro hired...not Takara. That's the distinction I'm trying to make.
Originally posted by Sado22
wiki it, foo. americans didn't give the concept.
americans....and this movie was horrible. all we saw in it was americans doing what they love to do: wanking their military powers 😂
~Sado
Obviously, you need to get your facts straight about Transformers.
People like you who have typical stereotypes of americans 🙄...
[Generation One (G1) is a retroactive term for the Transformers characters that appeared between 1984 and 1992. The Transformers began with the 1970s Japanese toy lines Microman and Diaclone. The former utilized varying humanoid-type figures while the latter presented robots able to transform into everyday vehicles, electronic items or weapons. Hasbro, fresh from the success of the G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero toyline, which utilised the Microman technology to great success, bought the Diaclone toys, and partnered with Takara.[2] Jim Shooter and Dennis O'Neil were hired by Hasbro to create the backstory, the latter of whom christened Optimus Prime.[3] Afterwards, Bob Budiansky created most of the Transformers characters, giving names and personalities to many unnamed Diaclone figures.[4] The primary concept of G1 is that the heroic Optimus Prime, the villainous Megatron, and their finest soldiers crash land on pre-historic Earth in the Ark and the Nemesis before awakening in 1984, Cybertron hurtling through the heavens as an effect of the war. The Marvel comic was originally part of the main Marvel Universe, with appearances from Spider-Man and Nick Fury, plus some cameos,[5] as well as a visit to the Savage Land.[6]
i don't know about american stereotypes, but i know enough of them to know that americans are to the west as arabs are to the east 🙂
~Sado
Originally posted by Tenebrous
The concept as in the toys, no, but that is not what I'm talking about, as the toys are not Transformers; they're Diaclone, Microman, and what have you.The concept of Transformers is a race of robotic aliens involved in their own war, etc., with two very distinct factions that were created specifically by Budiansky and his team at Marvel, whom Hasbro hired...not Takara. That's the distinction I'm trying to make.
The real bit of ingenuity was in the toys.
Without that, Budiansky would have not had anything to go on.
Originally posted by Sado22
i don't know about american stereotypes, but i know enough of them to know that americans are to the west as arabs are to the east 🙂~Sado
As a wiki editor myself, I'm surprised to see that you quote the article despite a blatant inaccuracy..could be just syntax, but it's enough to confuse people:
The Transformers began with the 1970s Japanese toy lines Microman and Diaclone.
That's the beginning of the inspiration of/for Transformers, not the beginning of the actual concept or story. What I'm saying is, no one at Takara who made the Diaclone Insecticons summoned the marketing and engineering teams together and said "This grasshopper will be called Kickback, this beetle will be Shrapnel, and the other will be Bombshell, and they are part of the Decepticon faction." continues...
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Sure.
They often were exactly the same toys.
Name any G1 first season TFS that werent imported form other lines.The real bit of ingenuity was in the toys.
Without that, Budiansky would have not had anything to go on.
Originally posted by Sado22
ditto.
No Season 1 TFs were original in concept. That does not equate to the concept of Transformers itself originating from Takara, but rather inspired by Takara.
For example, Norse/Anglo-Saxon/Germanic mythology has given us the god of thunder, Thor. I don't know too much about norse mythology so let's say that poet X came up with the idea of Thor and Odin and wrote the myths.
Centuries later Stan Lee and Jack Kirby use that inspiration and make Thor, the god of Thunder, who happens to be an Avenger.
The concept of Thor the Avenger, who has an alter ego on earth is entirely Lee's and Kirby's. The inspiration is from Poet X. However, at no point in his writings that Poet X realize that his works would be used as source material to create a distinct character used in Marvel Comics.
The concept of Thor in the norse myths and the concept of Thor in Marvel Comics are distinctly different, even though one (the marvel comics one) could not exist without the prior being created.
It's the same idea with Transformers. In fact, even if I agree with the logic that both of you are taking:
The MC-12 Gun Robo, which in Transformers lore is Megatron, is from the Takara line known as Microman. In turn, Microman is a miniaturized form of the previous Takara toyline, Henshin Cyborg, which included 12" tall figures/dolls. Henshin Cyborg itself was a derivative of the Takara Combat Joe toyline.
Takara's Combat Joe figure line of 12" dolls is based off a license Takara acquired from Hasbro. You may know this license under it's American name: G.I. JOE
The issue know is that if you're going to argue that the concept is takara's, because without them then budiansky would have nothing to go off of, then Megatron, Thundercracker, Starscream, Skywparp, Insecticons, Bumblebee and the rest of the minibots, perceptor, soundwave, blaster, the cassettes, etc. etc. which were all from Microman, would themselves never be around if Microman hadn't been a spawn of a toyline that was licensed, and based off of Hasbro's GI Joe.
Yup, look it up, Microman, which gave the inspiration from so many Transformers, was itself inspired from GI Joe.
That's why I'm making the distinction between the actual toy design, and the story and concept of Transformers.
on the one hand you have Microman MC-12 Gun Robo. On the other you have Transformers Decepticon Megatron. They are as distinct as much as the Norse Mythology Thor and the Marvel Comics Thor are.
ah, shut yer mouth ye aussie prick! 😠
That's the beginning of the inspiration of/for Transformers, not the beginning of the actual concept or story. What I'm saying is, no one at Takara who made the Diaclone Insecticons summoned the marketing and engineering teams together and said "This grasshopper will be called Kickback, this beetle will be Shrapnel, and the other will be Bombshell, and they are part of the Decepticon faction." continues...
~Sado
ummmmm probably not seeing as hes the most violent prime in the series: cutting bonecrushers head off violently , in a comic he cuts of barricades head which explains why hes late to battle megs , firing a shot into demolisher twice destroying his face (notice anything going on here: he likes faces) cutting into grindors leg and arm i thnk and then destroying his face with his hooks , cutting starscreams arm off , trying to pull of starscreams head with his foot , shooting half of megs face off , burning it with his jetpack , ripping his arm off and beating him , ripping of the fallens face and ripping out his spark(give me your face!)