Originally posted by Juk3n
He sets up a trap..Cyclops wins here...because he sets up a trap. For Punisher.
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One of Punsihers definte tactics is to use sniping. Cyke can limit Punisher options by hiding out in a certain envinronment ie he needs tall buildings fairly far off.
Also its possible that Pun may go for the body instead of the head like he did wth Cap (Cyke could have added protection), if Cyke is wounded Cyke could blast the location of Puns hiding.
Originally posted by Juk3n
You had me at "a Trap".
Punisher is most likely to find Cyke. So Cykes best option is to wait for Pun to find him. Knowing that there is a very good chance that Pun will try to snipe him Cyke should hide in an evinronment which limits his ability to do this but not completely ie an area with loads of high buildings will make it very difficult for Cyke to guess where Puns hiding place will be.
If you have an area with several buildings or a few its possible for Cyke to guess where he could be. All Cyclops needs to do is step out and one day Pun will try to gun him down. Now if Pun goes for Cykes body instead of his head and the shot doesnt kill him (wears more protection) he can blast the location of where Punisher is hiding.
All Cyclops needs to do is step out and one day Pun will try to gun him down. Now if Pun goes for Cykes body instead of his head and the shot doesnt kill him (wears more protection) he can blast the location of where Punisher is hiding.
Deliberatly getting shot by Punisher sounds like a poor tactic indeed.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
It may be the only option and it could work.
Even trying to beat Castle at his own game is better than what you suggested.
Cyke is more than likely to die from the first shot.
Even assuming the first bullet is stopped by protection Cyke can be stunned not to mention suffer broken ribs.
Punisher will fire more than one round to make sure the job is done.
As any sniper Punisher is a master of concealment and cover, he will also have backup positions. Flushing him out is not easy.
Making yourself a target = Dumb
Originally posted by Mshinu
Even trying to beat Castle at his own game is better than what you suggested.Cyke is more than likely to die from the first shot.
Not if he has added protection I kinda explained that.
Originally posted by Mshinu
Even assuming the first bullet is stopped by protection Cyke can be stunned not to mention suffer broken ribs.
Yeah he could however hes taken on a team of Xmen with busted ribs. Also depends on how much protections hes wearing. His uniform actually protects him from bullets if he has another level of kevlar that could help, he may decide to have even more protection under that...I would.
Originally posted by Mshinu
Punisher will fire more than one round to make sure the job is done.
Thats funny he didnt do that with Captain America.
Originally posted by Mshinu
As any sniper Punisher is a master of concealment and cover, he will also have backup positions. Flushing him out is not easy.
A master strategist like Cyke couldnt do it? I know it wont be easy but now you're assuming he wont be able to do it and you're making alot of assumptions, which isnt bad but you're kinda assuming its clear cut.
Originally posted by MshinuMaking yourself a target = Dumb
Really? Howcomes this tactic has been used bafore?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah I know but he seems to have some sort of knowledge in what they are doing. Im just trying to help.
it's a mismatch. he doesn't even formulate many of the strategies. he just says "go here, kill so and so."
Originally posted by Enyalus
Why would he care about saving a bunch of lowly and pathetic flatscans who have done nothing but persecute him all his life?😖hifty:
he cares more than frank.
cyclops isn't an assassin. at all.
i'm closing this thread shortly.
Originally posted by Raoul
it's a mismatch. he doesn't even formulate many of the strategies. he just says "go here, kill so and so."
Its not spite though.
Originally posted by Raoulcyclops isn't an assassin. at all.
You dont neccesarily have to be, you have to be smart.
Originally posted by Raouli'm closing this thread shortly.
Um I actually in the middle of discussing one viable win for Cyke. there is also another definite way he could win but I dont want to get to it yet.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Not if he has added protection I kinda explained that.
Is he going to wear protection to his face? Even so a sniper rifle is powerful enough to penetrate kevlar.
Thats funny he didnt do that with Captain America.
Well I guess he learned from his mistake then?
A master strategist like Cyke couldnt do it? I know it wont be easy but now you're assuming he wont be able to do it and you're making alot of assumptions, which isnt bad but you're kinda assuming its clear cut.
Ever tried to spot a sniper yourself? It is next to impossible, even more so after the shock of getting hit by a bullet protection or not. Bear in mind a good sniper will not exactly be close to his target either.
Really? Howcomes this tactic has been used bafore? [/B]
You tell me, it is hillarious unless it is the absolute last option or you are immune to bullets. I have taught urban tactics to the infantry and I wouldn`t reccomend doing this in a million years.
By the way I know Cyke is resourceful and give him 1, maybe 2, wins against Castle.
Originally posted by Raoul
it is, when one person is a highly trained assassin with years of experience, and the other person isn't. regardless of cyclops' training, he's not that type of soldier.
Sorry that argument doesnt neccesraily work. Jigsaw has no militray training but still has manged to outsmart Frank. You just have to be very smart but yeah it helps.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Sorry that argument doesnt neccesraily work. Jigsaw has no militray training but still has manged to outsmart Frank. You just have to be very smart but yeah it helps.
they have to find and kill each other. that's assassination, so yeah, it does.
cyclops could outsmart him, but he's not the assassin frank is, and the fact that he won't kill just makes it ridiculous. if he was willing to kill, then he'd simply level the city.
Originally posted by Raoul
they have to find and kill each other. that's assassination, so yeah, it does.cyclops could outsmart him, but he's not the assassin frank is, and the fact that he won't kill just makes it ridiculous. if he was willing to kill, then he'd simply level the city.
Im assuming he wont hold back in terms of killing. Is that ok now?
Originally posted by Mshinu
Is he going to wear protection to his face? Even so a sniper rifle is powerful enough to penetrate kevlar.
Assuming hes going to shoot him the face is an assumption. He didnt do it with Cap.
Originally posted by Mshinu
Well I guess he learned from his mistake then?
Did you ask him then? If you hadnt maybe you shouldnt make assumptions. Characters tend to make the same mistakes.
Originally posted by Mshinu
Ever tried to spot a sniper yourself? It is next to impossible, .
Am I master stratgeist?
Originally posted by Mshinu
even more so after the shock of getting hit by a bullet protection or not. .
If Cyke can take out Collosus after getting his ribs busted and then punk a team of Xmen. Then theres a decent chance he can react to being shot.
Originally posted by Mshinu
Bear in mind a good sniper will not exactly be close to his target either.
Yeah because Cyke cant decimate objects from long range.
Originally posted by Mshinu
You tell me, it is hillarious unless it is the absolute last option or you are immune to bullets. I have taught urban tactics to the infantry and I wouldn`t reccomend doing this in a million years.
This is a comic book couldnt careless what you've done. As far as I know Batmans kevlar isnt immune to bullets but he still used it as a tactic.
Originally posted by Mshinu
By the way I know Cyke is resourceful and give him 1, maybe 2, wins against Castle.
Great.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
[B]Assuming hes going to shoot him the face is an assumption. He didnt do it with Cap.Did you ask him then? If you hadnt maybe you shouldnt make assumptions. Characters tend to make the same mistakes.
There is no reason to target the body core for Castle, he can easily make a head shot. Since Cyke is known to wear kevlar it is the logical thing to do. And we are not including PIS are we?
Am I master stratgeist?
Even if you were you would have trouble spotting a concealed master sniper at several hundred yards.
If Cyke can take out Collosus after getting his ribs busted and then punk a team of Xmen. Then theres a decent chance he can react to being shot.
I give him a 10% chanse to survive the first shot. He will likely be stunned so a second and third shot is likely. I give him a 30% chanse to spot Castle before he moves (which he will probably do after about 3 shots or if Cyke is standing after the 1st). This is asuming Castle does not use another mode of attack like grenades, freeze gun or whatever.
Yeah because Cyke cant decimate objects from long range.
Indeed he can. Doesn`t mean he can hit what he can`t see tho.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im assuming he wont hold back in terms of killing. Is that ok now?
you said he has to kill punisher. that means something is obviously wrong with him that makes him want to kill a human being.
i'm closing the thread. there's absolutely no point to it. vs threads are supposed to be reasonably evenly matched, and their has to be competition over who gets the majority. cyclops isn't going to even have a chance of getting the majority, so it becomes a spite thread.
if any of the other mods disagree, fair enough, but i'm done with this thread.
and no, i don't want pm's complaining about it. the rules back me up on this decision.