Originally posted by carver9
I'm just messing with Endless Mike, havent seen or debated against him in a while. 😉They need to reopen that goku vs superman thread.
I'd rather not. That debate continues on and just goes nowhere.
I figure Toriyama just wasn't very good thinking up names so he had a huge dart board with english and Japaneses words on.
Actually, most of his names are puns. Saiya-jins are named after vegetables (planet vegeta, vegeta, Kakarot (carrot), Raditz (Radish), Nappa (type of cabbage), Bardock (burdock), etc.
Frieza and his minions are named after a refrigerator and the things you would find in it. The Ginyu force is milk (Ginyu means milk), etc.
The Buu saga characters were named after the spell in the Disney version of Sleeping Beauty, Bibidi, Babidi, Buu.
Kamehameha is itself a clever pun, both meaning "turtle destruction wave" and being a famous king of Hawaii.
Well you kind of changed mcduffie words, he said that supes can only go light speed in space which is what I have been saying the entire time. Supermans speed is a mistery, nothing more, nothing less.
Could you please respond to me by breaking my message down into quotes and replying point-by-point? It's much easier that way.
Anyway, the only reason Superman doesn't go lightspeed on earth is because he would cause too much damage. McDuffie never said anything about him being on earth or space in that statement.
You're adding parts to that story, it was never said on panel that supes was koed from the moon being magical, he was koed by the force of the moon. Diana even had doubt about him pulling off the feat, not because of the properties of the moon, because of its SIZE.
I'm simply applying common sense. The moon was created with Shadow Thief's power. Shadow theif had his power boosted by Neron. Neron is magical. Not to mention Superman has taken much worse than that and been fine. Do you want me to mention every time a DBZ character was KO'd by an attack that didn't destroy a planet? Because they have a much worse track record than Superman when it comes to that.
Prove that the explosion was more then planetary.
See, this is why you should respond point-by-point. I have no idea what explosion you're talking about here.
Superman was koed from konvikt punch, his eyes was closed and konvikt wouldnt lay a hand on goku and he sure as hell wont ONE shot him.
What makes you think that? He was beating the entire JLA, including Flash. Superman said he hit him with enough force to shatter a small planet. The fact that he could KO Superman proves that he would splatter Goku into a bloodstain with one hit.
Batman said that wonder woman reflexes was>clarks but diana said that supes has more raw speed.
How does that contradict what I said?
Where do you get your info sometimes. Just like the time you used the general zod and supes fight as a planetary destroying fight when we both know that Zod and supes was CONNECTED to that planet, that was the main reason things was getting destroyed.
And how does that invalidate the feat? It was their power that was causing it to be destroyed.
Goku doesnt need to go light speed but from what has been shown of him, his combat speed is >>>supes
Prove it then. Show me calculations and something more substantial than "it has blurry lines and afterimages"
Do this for me, show me superman FIGHTING at the speed of light and have proof that its actually that fast.
Sacrifice arc, mind-controlled Superman fights Wonder Woman from earth to the sun and then back in less than 1 minute and 54 seconds. Light takes 8 minutes to reach the earth from the sun.
Now show me a quantifiable speed feat from Goku.
Superman aint soloing sh**, black hair goku during the frieza saga is more then enough to pull a 10/10..
LOL
Or Krillin hurt him with a rock while Super sayain.
Just pointing out that this was filler.
I doutn The Surfer could solo the DBZVerse, i now Glaatus and his heralds are strong but i think they are being over estimated here. Im currently readign a Fantsastic Four Book and i never see anything that makes me think ohh wow SS wud own goku so bad!!..
Reading one comic of his appearances?
What if I read one chapter of DBZ when no one did anything that impressive and then said DBZ universe couldn't do anything?
Also Ultimate Galactus is a weaker version.
Everyone that I have said that goku can beat I have reasons behind it. Surfer is powerful but I just think goku is on a entirely different level. Can someone show me surfer fighting someone that can do what goku can do physically and power wise.Surfer never faced anyone like goku.
The cell vs goku fight is>>>any fight surfer has ever been in.
What did he do in that fight? Fly around a small area on earth, exchange a few punches and kicks and ki blasts that did no more than destroy some mountains?
This is supposedly more impressive than Surfer and Morg destroying the planet they were on and its moons (which takes exponentially more energy due to the inverse-square law), just by clashing with each other? Or fighting Ravenous and destroying planets in the process?
Or fighting freaking Uni-Lord?
Surfer could just go back in time and kill Goku as a baby like he did to the Overlord.
Wasnt trolling, I just wanted to get endless Mike attention because basically me and him have unfinished business on the superman vs goku thread. So much has change and so much came to the surface. I can use one scan to discredit everything that he brought up in previous post.
And what scan would that be? Keep in mind you can't use one event as a rule to establish everything else. You tend to only use Supes' low-end feats and ignore the high-end ones.
If I did that with DBZ, I would say the best they can do is destroy mountains since their attacks hardly ever destroy planets. See how dishonest that is?