The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus

Originally posted by SnakeEyes
I guess we'll agree to disagree on the whole role vs. performance thing then. Because, an actor could be given a shitty role (or character) and make it memorable with a great performance. See?

But the point that people are trying to make is that Heath Ledger has demonstrated multiple great performances. There are probably some that you haven't seen.

Well then the role would cease to be shitty.

I've seen many of his films, only one mentioned I'm ignorant to is LODT. I do like the guy.

Originally posted by jaden101
And in turn we'll put that straight back to you and say that noone cares about your opinion...So there's no point in you posting anymore...bye.

You're not a Moderator here, hence you cannot tell me to stop posting here. 😉

Originally posted by Impediment
Heath Ledger was, in fact, a great, young actor who died prematurely.

Was he up to, say, the caliber of Marlon Brando, Orson Welles, or, even, Jack Nicholson? Hell no.

He didn't deserve the Oscar. 'Twas a mercy vote.

That's a load of bull, it was not a mercy vote, and people only say this because he died. Everyone forgets the movie had tremendous hype before Heath died, and people may have been predicting an Oscar beforehand. In any case, it wasn't a mercy vote, and to say otherwise is pretty foolish, I must add.

Originally posted by Davis Bloome
You're not a Moderator here, hence you cannot tell me to stop posting here. 😉

You showed him. 🙂

Originally posted by Davis Bloome
That's a load of bull, it was not a mercy vote, and people only say this because he died. Everyone forgets the movie had tremendous hype before Heath died, and people may have been predicting an Oscar beforehand. In any case, it wasn't a mercy vote, and to say otherwise is pretty foolish, I must add.

I think Ledger had that oscar in the bag BEFORE he died. Dude, he did awesome at that role. It was superb.

Originally posted by Robtard
Probably not as sick as the people who watched all those roles nominated and know it was indeed giving to him out of respect and because of the hysterical hype on the Joker portrayal because of the death.

Hoffman was better
Shannon was better (though Ledger is a better actor overall)
Downey Jr. was better

Yes, there was tremendous hype for Heath's Joker, both before and after the death, but there are more rational fans out there than nutjobs that will tell you he had the best performance of the year, and I'd agree without a doubt. With the people he was running up against, besides Hoffman, what was so good about the other roles? I fail to see how Downey Jr. portraying an African American in a comedy better than Heath portraying a serious character like the Joker in TDK. I just don't see it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You showed him. 🙂

I think Ledger had that oscar in the bag BEFORE he died. Dude, he did awesome at that role. It was superb.

Gotta love sarcasm but what'd be the point of arguing with him. I could've said something worse but I don't want this thread derailed over senseless arguing.

I think so too, and maybe the role was a little overhyped, but that doesn't change the fact that he gave a breathtaking performance. I'm of the firm belief that if he were still alive today he'd have won that Oscar.

Originally posted by Davis Bloome
Yes, there was tremendous hype for Heath's Joker, both before and after the death, but there are more rational fans out there than nutjobs that will tell you he had the best performance of the year, and I'd agree without a doubt. With the people he was running up against, besides Hoffman, what was so good about the other roles? I fail to see how Downey Jr. portraying an African American in a comedy better than Heath portraying a serious character like the Joker in TDK. I just don't see it.

Because Downey played the dude portraying the dude that was the other dude; it was flawless.

Did you really call the Joker a "serious character"? What does that exactly mean in regards to Downey's role?

Did you watch all the others?

Originally posted by Robtard
Because Downey played the dude portraying the dude that was the other dude; it was flawless.

Did you really call the Joker a "serious character"? What does that exactly mean in regards to Downey's role?

Did you watch all the others?

Compared to Downey's role, Ledger's Joker was definitely a lot more serious, and more work went into the role, no doubt.

I didn't get a chance to check out Hoffman, or the other guy, which is why my comment was mostly directed at Downey Jr. and not the others.

Originally posted by Davis Bloome
Compared to Downey's role, Ledger's Joker was definitely a lot more serious, and more work went into the role, no doubt.

I didn't get a chance to check out Hoffman, or the other guy, which is why my comment was mostly directed at Downey Jr. and not the others.

Fair enough on the "serious", but the "more work" is arguable. Really depends on the actors skill.

Then I'm not sure how you can say Ledger deserved the Oscar over the others with such certainty, seems biased.

Might as well claim chocolate s the best icecream, when you haven't tried any other flavours.

Originally posted by Robtard
Probably not as sick as the people who watched all those roles nominated and know it was indeed giving to him out of respect and because of the hysterical hype on the Joker portrayal because of the death.

Hoffman was better
Shannon was better (though Ledger is a better actor overall)
Downey Jr. was better

Like I said, I haven't seen Doubt yet so I won't speak about that.

But, I've seen Revolutionary Road and sir, you are incorrect. Obviously, judging acting is subjective, but I mean come on, Shannon had like 15 minutes of screentime and, while he did a good job, was not nearly as impressive as Ledger.

And I almost feel like I shouldn't even comment on your Downey Jr. statement. RDJ played a goofy black man and then a far too serious Australian actor; he did a good job, but it's not nearly as difficult to parody a black man, then parody an Australian guy. I could practice for a half hour or so and have an adequate stereotypical black man impression ready to go. Ledger was definitely in a different league than Downey Jr.

id disagree. i never really understood all the hubbub about heaths joker role. but he was a trillion times better then bale. bale sucks.

Robert Downey Jr. was excellent in Tropic Thunder, one of the best comedic performances in newer years. Just because it was a Ben Stiller movie, somehow makes the role he played less good. Well that's bovinae-manure. A great performance is still a great performance despite the movie being "less serious" than say TDK. No one is gonna argue if we bring up Jeff Bridges performance in The Great Lebowski. That's cus it was made by the Coen brothers and thus it must be great. But a movie made by the guy who came on his own ear somehow make Robert Downey Jr.'s acting abilities worse.

Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Like I said, I haven't seen Doubt yet so I won't speak about that.

But, I've seen Revolutionary Road and sir, you are incorrect. Obviously, judging acting is subjective, but I mean come on, Shannon had like 15 minutes of screentime and, while he did a good job, was not nearly as impressive as Ledger.

And I almost feel like I shouldn't even comment on your Downey Jr. statement. RDJ played a goofy black man and then a far too serious Australian actor; he did a good job, but it's not nearly as difficult to parody a black man, then parody an Australian guy. I could practice for a half hour or so and have an adequate stereotypical black man impression ready to go. Ledger was definitely in a different league than Downey Jr.

Shannon's 15 mins portrayed a far more convincing and disturbed insane person, in fact, you actually believe the guy was ****ing nuts in real life. Was a really good role, albeit short.

So you're judging down Downey's performance due the the notion of 'less difficult than'? I have to ask, what was oh so difficult with playing the Joker? What barriers did Ledger break in that role that other's couldn't?

I've heard that before "different league", it's almost like the alternative cop-out reason why people say they're so impressed with Ledger's Joker, the first being the cliche "it's so dark", which is laughable.

Heath ledger was an average actor. He is being praised now because he played one good role then died. Same thing that happened to Brandon Lee.

Come on now, he was more than just average. His Ennis in Brokeback was superb. Joker was good/great. 10 TIHAU, Brothers Grim, Ned Kelly, Patriot were all downright decent too.

Brandon Lee was nothing more than a semi-good action star, comparing the two is faulty.

I'm excited for this movie because the premise sounds great and the few sneak peaks that I've seen of it, they've all been fantastic.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
. bale sucks.

And thats based only on TDK ???

yeah you might want to check out some other movies he's been in.

Heath Ledger an average actor? I think you need to watch more films with him in RogueJedi... he is far from average. As someone pointed out, he was already praised for his role of Joker before he died, and if he had not died, he still would have been praised and I believe he still would have got the Oscar actually.

Shannon's 15 mins portrayed a far more convincing and disturbed insane person, in fact, you actually believe the guy was ****ing nuts in real life. Was a really good role, albeit short.

If you like him in crazy mode, I recommend the film Bug.

Originally posted by MildPossession

If you like him in crazy mode, I recommend the film Bug.

Didn't care for that movie much. Except for Ashley Judd, who is quite possibly the most beautiful woman in the world.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Heath ledger was an average actor. He is being praised now because he played one good role then died. Same thing that happened to Brandon Lee.

Heath Ledger didn't portray one good role and die, he portrayed many good roles, and then a great one, and then died. The difference between Ledger & Lee is that Ledger is far more talented, and actually did pull off an Oscar worthy performance. While I loved the movie, Lee's performance was nothing all that special.

I have not seen the other Oscar nominees performances aside of Ledger and Downy Jr., but between those two, I believe Ledger was much better. The character of The Joker in the Batman movie was extremely well crafted. Here's a guy who is not only evil and twisted, but sad. I actually felt sorry for him whilst realizing he had two or three different stories about how he got his scars, which proved he was a compulsive liar. A character like that, a character we know nothing about, a character we should hate became someone very memorable and likable. That is something. Heath pulled it off. Heath was fascinating. A coworker of mine was saying, "Anyone can wear clown make up and act like a psycho." Well, it may sound easy, and it obviously is because all the fan boys mimic it so well, but we can't forget that that came from Heath. He created that which they impersonate so well. Downy Jr. was funny in Tropic Thunder, but not very memorable in my opinion, not nearly as memorable as Ledger's Joker. I was actually disappointed with Tropic Thunder. I thought Steve Coogan was funnier than the rest of the cast, and he blew up five minutes after the film started.