Originally posted by Red Nemesis
This confrontation is similar to that of the First Age [possibly between Melian? and a Morgoth aligned sorcerer] in which 'Songs of Power' or some such were used as a form of magical duel by proxy. Gandalf the White matched Sauron in a contest of Wills, which is analogous to innate power.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
That is not the occasion I meant? I quoted it several times. This [my example] took place after Gandalf the White had been manifested and Frodo & Sam had left the Fellowship.So unless you can point me to the passage you're talking about I'm gonna have to think that you are mistaken.
A little.
A while back I read somewhere about Gandalf's seemingly imminent defeat at the Witch-King's hands in the film to be simple cinematic eye candy. That the the idea that a Maiar, recently reinvigorated by the Vala, would lose to a decrepit shadow-being of a Man (albeit Sauron's chief lieutenant) was unfounded and frankly ridiculous when taking in to account what the Istari (including the Grey) and even weaker Maia were able to do.
witch king vs gandalf gandalf wins in the first book when gandalf the gray arrived at amon sul he obviously fought the nazgul the witch kin in hooded form with them so gandalf escped and they set up an ambush for frodo and friends now add a major boost to gandalf for turnin into the white than take away the other nazgul in hooded form gandalf wins in full armored form gandalf wins in assault for gandalf wins (full armor form was in the war between arnor and the north ) assault form the battle of minas tirith hooded form is nazgul robes
Gandalf's power could equal to the power of Sauron/ Not sure though, if he ever wouldn't go that far; he'd be corrupted just like a Balrog. Either way, Gandalf and the other Miars were sent to help the people of Middle-Earth against Sauron; not to win the war themselves.
As for Witch-King vs Gandalf, I'll go with Gandalf when it comes to who is more powerful. However, thw WK can't really be killed by a man. Gandalf must be either a woman, or have a enchanted blade like Glorfindel (was it him)
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The Witch-King can't be killed by a Man, and Gandalf isn't a Man, he's a Maia. The movie made it clear to the audience that Movie-Gandalf was inferior to Movie-Witch-King. And the movie is the only (and non-canonical) place where that is inferred.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Actually when it comes to Tolkien, it ultimately matters who you really are, not what you look like. The powers of a Maia such as Gandalf the White, even if he were in the body Man that barely ages over 2000 years, will defeat a corrupted Man who can't be killed by fellow mortals.
Also, i forgot which Glorfindel is which, but I do know that one killed a Balrog=Maia
That's how I view it. Unless Gandalf is more powerful then the enchantment/prophecy, which is up to you to prove.
Originally posted by xJLxKing'Kay man, Glorfindel didn't kill the Witch-King, so whether the enchanted sword would work or whether he could isn't told. He forced the Witch-King to flee and prophesies to him that he would not be killed by a Man. The Witch-King in turn interpreted that to mean he can not be killed by a Man. If you can point me to a source by J.R.R or Christopher Tolkien stating just exactly what the f*ck it all means, I'd be grateful. Does it mean the WK CAN'T be killed by a man, does it mean he WON'T be killed by a man, does Eowyn fall in to those parameters? What?
Whether or not you like the answer this is how Tolkien wanted it. This is why even Glorfindel couldn't kill the Witch-King without a enchanted sword. Yes, I do know that Gandalf is a powerful Maia.Also, i forgot which Glorfindel is which, but I do know that one killed a Balrog=Maia
That's how I view it. Unless Gandalf is more powerful then the enchantment/prophecy, which is up to you to prove.
Either way, in Return of the King, the Witch-King demanded Gandalf step aside, and Gandalf didn't budge. A Maia spirit of enhanced magical ability sent back by the Vala and wielding an Elven sword can't handle a corrupted Man?