Zoom vs Superman Prime

Originally posted by thanos-prime
he could do the same thing again also use his other powers like heat vision and freeze breath etc etc

Heat vision and freeze breath are useless. Like I said, they've run circles around him before. Kid Flash has. Easily at that. He caught them by surprise once but other than that, but since then his been dominated on every occasion they've tried. Multiple occasions as shown.

With his perception, Prime shouldn't be able to even surprise him even though he was ignorant of his speed, but that's comics for you. Probably Wally West's most ignored ability. Since his using all his powers, like he should, Prime isn't touching him. Prime is fast, really fast, but would get raped by Wally West, based on what Bart has been able to do.

bart had to absorb the entire speed force just to catch up with him i think you over estimate there speed none of which matters cause they cant hurt him unless they get close and lets not forget thunder clap

Originally posted by thanos-prime
bart had to absorb the entire speed force just to catch up with him i think you over estimate there speed none of which matters cause they cant hurt him unless they get close and lets not forget thunder clap

*sigh*

To catch up to him after he broke out of prison and had an extremely long start, and he still got there before him. That was Bart like you stated, not the fastest man who ever lived. That's despite the fact that Bart Allen as the Flash was a lot slower than Wally. Hell, he was technically faster as Impulse. As seen in combat even Kid Flash can run circles around him.

I'm not overestimating their speed. Just being realistic. Kid Flash dominated him in combat, when needed, and annihilated him as the Flash, when technically he should have been the fastest Flash ever, but he was the slowest. His only showing off even being able to defend himself was once, when they first meet him and didn't know what he was capable off, and that's with the ignoring of their most important ability. Their perception.

Wally West would run circles around, and have him out of the fight, before he knows what hit him.

Also:

Travel Speed =/= Combat Speed

Two completely different things in application.

actually he has two when he beat the jay garrick of another universe

and frankly hand to hand combat is not prime's only line of offense but you disregard any other saying its not fast enough but you seem to forget things like creating earth quakes and thunder claps which would be effective

Originally posted by thanos-prime
actually he has two when he beat the jay garrick of another universe

The Jay Garrick off an alternate Universe, which happened off panel. All we know is that he broke out of the prison, somehow got past that Jay Garrick and went to the main Earth. Who said he countered his speed? Maybe he jumped him, and flew off right away, who knows? Off panel.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A few punches from Bart Allen as the Flash when by the way he had worse showings and was technically a lot slower than Wally West was as the Flash, put a hurting on Prime, with a few blows. Wally West's mass can apparently approach Infinity if he allows it (However that works.). Based on that, how hard his hit casually in the past, and the fact that he took Bart's powers on top of his own, and I don't find it far fetched that Wally West can knock out Prime.

If he has the right attitude or blood lusted, Wally West can drop Prime off in the face of the Big Bang/Entropy, show him what happens when Wally West vibrates through someone's head and so on.

Like I said, Wally West can defeat Superboy Prime.

If Flash can do this to Prime, why wasn't Flash the one to take on Monarch...one on one?

A t-clap can take Flash out.

Proven on panel.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
If Flash can do this to Prime, why wasn't Flash the one to take on Monarch...one on one?

That's just a stupid question. It's like me saying, if Prime is so fast, why wasn't he the one who who raced Death to the end of existence.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
A t-clap can take Flash out.

Proven on panel.

No what frustrates me the most about this statement. It's that we have already had this argument and you're just trying to piss me off. No other reason.

I mean you keep bringing up that Konvict fight where the entire Justice League jobbed clearly and even forced me to find and post a scan where Flash takes multiple thunder claps (Technically finger snaps.) point blank that are more powerful and isn't even phased. You know this, yet you choose to ignore it. I just don't get it.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
and frankly hand to hand combat is not prime's only line of offense but you disregard any other saying its not fast enough but you seem to forget things like creating earth quakes and thunder claps which would be effective

Hand to hand is the line of offense he uses like 99% of the time.

Earth quakes and thunder claps would be useless against Wally West. I'm not disregarding it, simply acknowledging that taking into account Wally West's feats he shouldn't be bothered by such methods of attacks.

Besides, Prime isn't one to think his way out of a fight.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hand to hand is the line of offense he uses like 99% of the time.

Earth quakes and thunder claps would be useless against Wally West. I'm not disregarding it, simply acknowledging that taking into account Wally West's feats he shouldn't be bothered by such methods of attacks.

Besides, Prime isn't one to think his way out of a fight.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
Actually someone with enough power to break through dimensions with ease should have no problem making a t-clap powerful enough to take out any flash.

That's great. 👆

Unfortunately for Prime and that tactic, Wally West's has the ability to phase and match his vibrational frequencies with others.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's great. 👆

Unfortunately for Prime and that tactic, Wally West's has the ability to phase and match his vibrational frequencies with others.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
yes he could do this but not every time eventually he is going to get hit by one then its over

Yes, because Prime would be doing thunder claps non stop,and Wally West would simply sit there while Prime does this, right?

Why could he not. This is the Flash. To him Superboy Prime would be helpless and with his perception and speed the Flash would have all the time in the world. He could have Prime out in a number of ways, before Prime could do anything about it.

Wally West has good stamina. His ran non stop at speeds beyond light speeds if I recall correctly for 10 ten days straight at a time. Something as phasing would be easy.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, because Prime would be doing thunder claps non stop,and Wally West would simply sit there while Prime does this, right?

Why could he not. This is the Flash. To him Superboy Prime would be helpless and with his perception and speed the Flash would have all the time in the world. He could have Prime out in a number of ways, before Prime could do anything about it.

Wally West has good stamina. His ran non stop at speeds beyond light speeds if I recall correctly for 10 ten days straight at a time. Something as phasing would be easy.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
lol the way you talk he has the durability of a child and he wasn't so helpless when he counter blitzed them was he? i didn't say he would do them non-stop just that if he tried he could get him eventually like say flash gets to close and catches one in the face then it would be over

I never said anything of the sort. I've read all of his appearances and know what Prime is capable off. When they didn't no who he was, how fast he was, and like usual their perception is ignored. Sure he reacted. Every other time other than that? He was road kill.

Flash can react by the attosecond, casually as I recall. Him being caught of guard by a thunder clap based on that and to him it's as if Prime and everything is standing still? That isn't happening.

Besides, don't forget Wally's feelings towards Prime. Wally will not play around with him as he does most of the time. Fight starts, Prime is a statue and tossed to some unknown dimension before he knows what happens. Outside of plot, that what should happen.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No what frustrates me the most about this statement. It's that we have already had this argument and you're just trying to piss me off. No other reason.

I mean you keep bringing up that Konvict fight where the entire Justice League jobbed clearly and even forced me to find and post a scan where Flash takes multiple thunder claps (Technically finger snaps.) point blank that are more powerful and isn't even phased. You know this, yet you choose to ignore it. I just don't get it.

Are you saying established continuity means a T-clap can't possibly take out the Flash?

Has he ever shrugged one off before? If so I'd like to see the scans?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Are you saying established continuity means a T-clap can't possibly take out the Flash?

Has he ever shrugged one off before? If so I'd like to see the scans?

No it shouldn't. Not in combat unless we ignore part if not most of his abilities and powers.

Yes he has.

I have posted scans on different occasions per your request. The instance with Zoom comes to mind. He took a thunder clap from Zoom at point blank range, without even noticing it. The same Zoom who can achieve the effect of a thunder clap just by snapping his damn fingers.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No it shouldn't. Not in combat unless we ignore part if not most of his abilities and powers.

Yes he has.

I have posted scans on different occasions per your request. The instance with Zoom comes to mind. He took a thunder clap from Zoom at point blank range, without even noticing it. The same Zoom who can achieve the effect of a thunder clap just by snapping his damn fingers.