Witch-King vs. Voldemort

Originally posted by NemeBro
Voldemort can use fire without a wand.

A torch beat the Witch King.

A torch. 😐

He has three showings, only one is impressive, the other two make him look like a joke.

Why are the two considered PIS over the one?

Correct, he can. Can he also cast spells when he has brown pudding running down his legs and is crying in fear? I don't think so, pal.

Yes, we covered that PIS and you're taking lowest showings possible for the WK and highest possible for Voldermert. Don't be clown-shoe biased like Quanchin.

Cos the undead servant of a demi-god who makes Gandalf question his own bravery being taken out by a torch? That scene makes sense to you considering the above? It was clear PIS to further the plot and to boost Aragorn cos he's so sexy.

Originally posted by Robtard
Correct, he can. Can he also cast spells when he has brown pudding running down his legs and is crying in fear? I don't think so, pal.

Voldemort keeps Dementors for pets. 😐

Witch King's aura of fear isn't doing much.

Yes, we covered that PIS and you're taking lowest showings possible for the WK and highest possible for Voldermert. Don't be clown-shoe biased like Quanchin.

Voldemort's showings are consistently high, he is consistently portrayed as one of the top wizards in Harry Potter.

Witch King is hampered by two very bad showings and one pretty good one. I might be inclined to agree with your line of thinking... If it were not for the fact that he is explicitly weak to fire, which Voldemort can generate in greater quantities and intensities than a torch.

Also, I'm sorry, biased? Nigga **** Voldemort, **** him with the Elder Wand. I am probably the most LotR-knowledged ****er who regularly posts in this sub-forum (That I know of, and while I know other posters who have more knowledge than me like FinalAnswer, they don't post here particularly often). I'm not biased ****er. estahuh

Cos the undead servant of a demi-god who makes Gandalf question his own bravery being taken out by a torch? That scene makes sense to you considering the above? It was clear PIS to further the plot and to boost Aragorn cos he's so sexy.

While I agree that Aragorn is totally hot, what it does show is that the Witch King's weakness to fire is rather extreme.

Easy, I wasn't saying "you're Quanchi" as fact, just that you were treading close to it.

THAT IS CLOSE ENOUGH. ;_;

Originally posted by NemeBro
THAT IS CLOSE ENOUGH. ;_;

You know, it was and I do apologize, the Quanche comment was overboard of me.

But I am glad you can at least see my line of thinking. Torch makes him run and then he makes Gandalf's @sshole pucker with a stare, explodes magical staves and is the leader of a massive army bent on conquering all of Middle Earth. Inconsistent, that.

Originally posted by NemeBro
What are you talking about?

Do you even know?

Witch King broke Gandalf's staff (In a deleted scene, I should mention, ever wonder if it was deleted for a reason?). That kind of power doesn't translate into being able to resist being stabbed.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, the clear bias and fanboyism towards anything Potter-related shows its ugly head in the MVF once again.

Gandalf unlike Voldermort isn't a coward at heart; the Witch-King with nothing more than his presence and a scream both shattered Gandalf's magical stave and made him drop a brown-loaf in his knickers. Voldermort runs away before the fight begins, he's a worm. But yeah, go with clear PIS only for the Witch-King and the torch feat. Voldermort was defeated by a man-child. Loligasp.

One giant fire snake and he'd be screaming for his momma.

Rob you are truly the "king" of the tards.

LoL, says the guy who claimed a lightsabre can't cut through steel before.

Anyhow, the adults are debating, your fantasies are just that.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, says the guy who claimed a lightsabre can't cut through steel before.

Anyhow, the adults are debating, your fantasies are just that.

Careful Nemebro, your treading the line. Im tempted to spout random LOTR facts just to show you up...... 😛

Kidding, of course. But Robtard, I am easily the first person to want to say that LOTR characters auto-win every fight. But I don't. LOTR is my favorite trilogy/series in existence. I actually hate the Harry Potter books/movies (before the hate, they just are not my type of books) and I admitted from my first post that Voldemort wins a movie fight. BOOK fight would obviously be different, but movies sucked for the WK.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's still usable on here. The fact is Saruman could best Gandalf the white still be hurt by being stabbed if he was open to such an attack.

And I am still not getting your point here. Are you sure you have one?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Saruman couldn't best Gandalf the White. Gandalf the White broke Saruman's staff with a gesture.

And I am still not getting your point here. Are you sure you have one?

I think he meant Gandalf the Grey.

In fact, that's definitely what he meant.

Originally posted by Pwned
Kidding, of course. But Robtard, I am easily the first person to want to say that LOTR characters auto-win every fight. But I don't. LOTR is my favorite trilogy/series in existence. I actually hate the Harry Potter books/movies (before the hate, they just are not my type of books) and I admitted from my first post that Voldemort wins a movie fight. BOOK fight would obviously be different, but movies sucked for the WK.

Using the books, imo, WK is even more of a weakling. The Legend doesn't hold and it is more of a self-fulfilling legend. "No man can kill meh!" So a hobbit and a woman do the dead. Cool. Seems like a loop hole but it's not.

It is not as though the WK has a felix felicis potion with a loophole. 🙂

Originally posted by NemeBro
Saruman couldn't best Gandalf the White. Gandalf the White broke Saruman's staff with a gesture.

And I am still not getting your point here. Are you sure you have one?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Saruman bested Gandalf the Grey who bested a Balrog yet can still be stabbed in the back and beaten by far less than a Balrog. It all doesn't add up.

You are aware Grima stabbing a depowered Saruman in the back, causing him to fall of his tower to his death isn't really saying anything, right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Saruman bested Gandalf the Grey who bested a Balrog yet can still be stabbed in the back and beaten by far less than a Balrog. It all doesn't add up.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
You are aware Grima stabbing a depowered Saruman in the back, causing him to fall of his tower to his death isn't really saying anything, right?

Originally posted by NemeBro
A depowered Saruman can be stabbed in the back by a human, I guess that's true.

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Tk pushes cut his weak old face.

Prove the TK pushes are weak.

WK overpowered Gandalf the white yet a torch can beat him.

The Witch King is weak and afraid of fire, this is an aspect of the books which made it to film.

It all might make sense in your world but I know fiction far better than you do. Apparently.

I am for once attempting to have a polite discussion with you, try to lay off the condescending attitude please.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Prove the TK pushes are weak.

The Witch King is weak and afraid of fire, this is an aspect of the books which made it to film.

I am for once attempting to have a polite discussion with you, try to lay off the condescending attitude please.

Gandalf is a mage yet his power couldn't easily exploit the Witch King. Aragorn >>>>>witch King while Witch King>>>Gandalf the White.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They caused minor cuts. That doesn't exactly impress me. It might impress you.

Your reasoning is flawed. I mean, would you claim that Thanos's punches and blasts were not impressive at all based on his showing against Odin?

You are implying that for the telekinesis to be powerful, it would have had to have done more damage than some cuts and bruises. But if more damage was visible on them, then we wouldn't know if the TK was more powerful, or if Gandalf and Sarumen were just less durable. However, Gandalf does have durability feats, pretty decent ones.

The telekinesis is unquantifiable.

Gandalf is a mage yet his power couldn't easily exploit the Witch King. Aragorn >>>>>witch King while Witch King>>>Gandalf the White.

He was trying to. But then WK broke his staff. A power like that doesn't apply to a fight with Aragorn, who just used a torch.

Surviving the fall from Khazad Dum to the lake below Moria and still having the stamina to run up the Stairs of Durin to a high peak of Caradhras also means stamina galore.

And Rob, in the books the WK is one of the most powerful beings in Middle Earth. Read Unfinished Tales 1+2. I believe those have entries on the Nazgul.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
You are aware Grima stabbing a depowered Saruman in the back, causing him to fall of his tower to his death isn't really saying anything, right?

I think his point is better made if you say that he meant the WK was stabbed in the back by a Hobbit. Still not quite what happened, but close enough and it makes his point better. 😄

Originally posted by NemeBro
I am for once attempting to have a polite discussion with you, try to lay off the condescending attitude please.

I know this was directed at Quanchi, but...

NAY! Sucketh sweaty balls. tehe

Originally posted by Pwned
Surviving the fall from Khazad Dum to the lake below Moria and still having the stamina to run up the Stairs of Durin to a high peak of Caradhras also means stamina galore.

Based on the words, that fight was raging on for days. I am inclined to agree with you that Gandalf had super-human stamina.

Agreed, everyone?

I ask for a group consensus because that means we could add another power to Gandalf to be used in vs. fights.