Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Indeed.Taking that a little further, that leads to..
'Why do people still think they can petition this alleged entity with prayer?'
(When all evidence says it doesnt work anymore than literally just wishing for something whilst blowing out you birthday candles..?)
Actually that is totally non sequitur.
While what you say may be true it doesn't really stem whatsoever from my statement.
Your point was valid, but not as an extension of what I said to Inimalist.
Re: Bible written while high?
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Now the Bible makes scene 😄
Of course whoever wrote the Bible was high.
High on their own ego, that is.
Let us suppose, for the moment, that the Prophets were in fact, under the influence of mind altering substances, and that, the Torah, (the most profound book ever written in human history, and continues to be), is the mere product of altered state and/or imagination.
Question is, how does this make you feel? And why? And with all that man knows/understands of the Torah, why is this proposition any better -- altered state/imagination?
It seems to me, that such ideals overlook something: HISTORY.
Most Americans don't even understand the history of their own country, let alone the Prophets and the Torah. Pop-culture doesn't even understand why Israel feels threatened, next to Iran (in today's world)!
And you sit back, read a 2,000 word article on an abstract idea, and think that it's the truth (or something to be devoted to)? Something to actually engage in conversation about, as if, something can be put to rest! My gosh people, don't nick and pick; study your self approved!
Let me put it to you this way: do you honestly think, that a book will be written over this matter (and be a New York best seller)? The answer is No.
Get serious. 🙂
Originally posted by ushomefree
Let us suppose, for the moment, that the Prophets were in fact, under the influence of mind altering substances, and that, the Torah, (the most profound book ever written in human history, and continues to be), is the mere product of altered state and/or imagination.
OK, but the Torah is not the most profound book ever written in human history.
Originally posted by ushomefree
Question is, how does this make you feel? And why? And with all that man knows/understands of the Torah, why is this proposition any better -- altered state/imagination?
This does not make me feel anything. Why? Because the Torah is not an important book to me. This proposition is not surprising to me. Negativity toward drugs is a relatively new point of view.
Originally posted by ushomefree
It seems to me, that such ideals overlook something: HISTORY.
The Torah is not a history book.
Originally posted by ushomefree
Most Americans don't even understand the history of their own country, let alone the Prophets and the Torah. Pop-culture doesn't even understand why Israel feels threatened, next to Iran (in today's world)!
I’m not sure if you meant that or not, but Israel is not next to Iran. However, you are basically correct on this one statement.
Originally posted by ushomefree
And you sit back, read a 2,000 word article on an abstract idea, and think that it's the truth (or something to be devoted to)? Something to actually engage in conversation about, as if, something can be put to rest! My gosh people, don't nick and pick; study your self approved!
Are you talking about the bible?
Originally posted by ushomefree
Let me put it to you this way: do you honestly think, that a book will be written over this matter (and be a New York best seller)? The answer is No.
Who cares?
Originally posted by ushomefree
Get serious. 🙂
There is a very good possibility that parts of the bible were written by people under the influence of drugs, but that doesn’t really mean anything to me.
Originally posted by ushomefree😆 and ❌
Let us suppose, for the moment, that the Prophets were in fact, under the influence of mind altering substances, and that, the Torah, (the most profound book ever written in human history, and continues to be), is the mere product of altered state and/or imagination.Question is, how does this make you feel? And why? And with all that man knows/understands of the Torah, why is this proposition any better -- altered state/imagination?
It seems to me, that such ideals overlook something: HISTORY.
Most Americans don't even understand the history of their own country, let alone the Prophets and the Torah. Pop-culture doesn't even understand why Israel feels threatened, next to Iran (in today's world)!
And you sit back, read a 2,000 word article on an abstract idea, and think that it's the truth (or something to be devoted to)? Something to actually engage in conversation about, as if, something can be put to rest! My gosh people, don't nick and pick; study your self approved!
Let me put it to you this way: do you honestly think, that a book will be written over this matter (and be a New York best seller)? The answer is No.
Get serious. 🙂
Originally posted by ushomefree
(the most profound book ever written in human history, and continues to be)
Not to the 4 billion odd people who don't believe in its religiosity (thats 2/3rds of the global population).
Originally posted by ushomefree
It seems to me, that such ideals overlook something: HISTORY.
Something is telling me you dont really understand history...
Originally posted by ushomefree
Most Americans don't even understand the history of their own country, let alone the Prophets and the Torah. Pop-culture doesn't even understand why Israel feels threatened, next to Iran (in today's world)!
Most Americans don't even understand [strikeout]the history of their own country[/strikeout] GEOGRAPHY.
"Pop-Culture" LMAO.
Originally posted by ushomefree
Get serious. 🙂
Actually, drugs have long been a part of religion. The idea isn't unfathomable, but it is kind of silly.
Originally posted by ushomefreeThe DaVinci Code was a bestseller, is that our standard of deciding what is to be believed and what not?
Let us suppose, for the moment, that the Prophets were in fact, under the influence of mind altering substances, and that, the Torah, (the most profound book ever written in human history, and continues to be), is the mere product of altered state and/or imagination.Question is, how does this make you feel? And why? And with all that man knows/understands of the Torah, why is this proposition any better -- altered state/imagination?
It seems to me, that such ideals overlook something: HISTORY.
Most Americans don't even understand the history of their own country, let alone the Prophets and the Torah. Pop-culture doesn't even understand why Israel feels threatened, next to Iran (in today's world)!
And you sit back, read a 2,000 word article on an abstract idea, and think that it's the truth (or something to be devoted to)? Something to actually engage in conversation about, as if, something can be put to rest! My gosh people, don't nick and pick; study your self approved!
Let me put it to you this way: do you honestly think, that a book will be written over this matter (and be a New York best seller)? The answer is No.
Get serious. 🙂
Well I found this...
"In the early days, most of the Gideons were traveling salesmen who wanted to be effecitve Christian witnesses while on the road. They decided to place a Bible at the reception desk in each hotel they frequented so patrons could borrow it. The Bible also served as a silent witness in these hotels after the Gideons had checked out. Today, the Gideons place more than 45,000,000 bibles annually in prisons, hospitals, military bases and, of course, hotel rooms. "
I definitely got of course. Allow me to redirect my point, please. The point I was trying to make is that... although interesting, why should we as recipients of the article give credence to the argument? Obviously, the Prophets were fallible men; but nothing in Scripture and/or history indicates (beyond a shadow of doubt) that the Bible was written under the influence of a mind altering substances. And yet, people read so-called intuitive/"out side the box" articles and arbitrarily assume it as fact. Why? I'm not trying to start an argument; I never do, although I may come off that way; but what are your thoughts?
Originally posted by ushomefree
I definitely got of course. Allow me to redirect my point, please. The point I was trying to make is that... although interesting, why should we as recipients of the article give credence to the argument? Obviously, the Prophets were fallible men; but nothing in Scripture and/or history indicates (beyond a shadow of doubt) that the Bible was written under the influence of a mind altering substances. And yet, people read so-called intuitive/"out side the box" articles and arbitrarily assume it as fact. Why? I'm not trying to start an argument; I never do, although I may come off that way; but what are your thoughts?
Please provide your "beyond a shadow of doubt" proof that no part of the bible was written by people under the influence of drugs.
Originally posted by ushomefreeIn support of the Bible they also use things like "common for that time frame" to support passages in the Bible. You can not have it one way and not the other, if you use the same logic to attack you have to also have it to defend. There are a myriad of things that are not in the Bible but defenders of the Bible try to fill in the holes with this very logic.
I definitely got of course. Allow me to redirect my point, please. The point I was trying to make is that... although interesting, why should we as recipients of the article give credence to the argument? Obviously, the Prophets were fallible men; but nothing in Scripture and/or history indicates (beyond a shadow of doubt) that the Bible was written under the influence of a mind altering substances. And yet, people read so-called intuitive/"out side the box" articles and arbitrarily assume it as fact. Why? I'm not trying to start an argument; I never do, although I may come off that way; but what are your thoughts?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Other way around. He said nothing in history says for certain the Bible was written while high.
I was disagreeing with his "beyond a shadow of doubt". That is why I quoted it. Lack of evidence is not evidence. In other words, you cannot use the fact that we have no writings about the bible and drug use as evidence for no drug use in the writing of the bible.