Spider-man vs Wolverine vs Elektra

Originally posted by namorsubby
battlehammer, what are you going off on that for? you're unneccesarily calling me a fanboy and i gotta say, I don't very much appreciate it. now what has ole namorsubby done to deserve your unprovoked negative commentary? lol

i just asked about the feats that set her apart from other peak humans who sometimes have high feats as well.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No I am saying you ignore evidences and are a waste of time and space. You also present no evidences and refuses to acknowledge when your wrong, out side begin sarcastic.

like I said, what did i do to deserve your insult? I simply asked you what elektra has done to put her above other peak humans who have a few higher than peak human feats, and then you called me a fanboy........well, not outrightly.....but you knew what you were doing.lol

if you felt stumped you should've just said so, or maybe tried being sarcastic like you say i do.........anything is better than lowering yourself to insults.lol

Not insulting you I am stating what you do, it who you are.

elektra delfect machine gune firer with her sias while in mid air, she speed blizt so fast under water she could not bee seen by the human eye ect.

also why would I call you a fanboy in a thread that dident have anything to do with namor........

Originally posted by Battlehammer
also why would I call you a fanboy in a thread that dident have anything to do with namor........

originally posted by Battlehammerelektra delfect machine gune firer with her sias while in mid air, she speed blizt so fast under water she could not bee seen by the human eye ect.

again, not being seen is a ninja kinda thing. taking it literally is a little silly. what is she, the flash?

concerning the first statement, i'm sure i could tell you a street-leveler who has done the same basic thing that you've never even heard of.

Originally posted by namorsubby
cheap shot

again, not being seen is a ninja kinda thing. taking it literally is a little silly. what is she, the flash?

concerning the first statement, i'm sure i could tell you a street-leveler who has done the same basic thing that you've never even heard of.

Trust me you couldent. No street leveler has deflect gun firer of that magnitude while in mid air with such small weapons.

the guy in my avatar deflected gunfire with a boomerang while jumping........could you tell me his name please?

the ultimate d-lister has done near the same thing, so what's your point?

also, are you suggesting elektra really moves that fast? at her size do you know how fast she'd have to be moving to be invisible to the naked eye? are you seriously standing by that or would you like to admit that it's simply a device used to solidify her 'ninja-ness' like it really is before it's too late?

Originally posted by namorsubby
the guy in my avatar deflected gunfire with a boomerang while jumping........could you tell me his name please?

the ultimate d-lister has done near the same thing, so what's your point?

also, are you suggesting elektra really moves that fast? at her size do you know how fast she'd have to be moving to be invisible to the naked eye? are you seriously standing by that or would you like to admit that it's simply a device used to solidify her 'ninja-ness' like it really is before it's too late?

your guys name is Daredevil i believe and alex ross redesigned him from his original look.

aside from that you need to show consistend feats of your character that coresponds with his skill set and abilities.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
your guys name is Daredevil i believe and alex ross redesigned him from his original look.

but yeah he isn't even an official peak human and he's done it.a d-list street-leveler does it and is still d-list, but when elektra does it, it makes her special?

edit:
BTW, that's his same basic costume with it's classic color scheme, just drawn by ross so it's looks modern and realistic.......and glossy.lol

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

aside from that you need to show consistend feats of your character that coresponds with his skill set and abilities.

now maybe you're saying that she consistently has feats on par with that, idk, but i'd disagree.

Basically I got into this same debate with jinzin on Elektra. He proclaimed Elektra is superhuman. But I showed she isn't. Direct comparisons are more important then flashy feats. If her peers that she fights state she is superhuman faster then them or is superhuman in comparison to them. That is more important then flashy feats. Because then any athlete character can be argued to be superhuman like.

Here's some of that debate of the scans that I used.

Originally posted by Daredevil1

Ill just sum all that together of your quotes since its about the same thing. Blocking mulitipile bullets is not that impressive jinzin. Heck even Zaran did it in mid jump against 4 men.

OH my god!!! Zaran must be Superhuman in speed..........LOL. But no and if you can't distinguish a flashy scene from what they actually are through the majority of there carrerr or more importantly through direct comparisons of there peers. Then you really don't grasp in how to rank or compare characters. You do know Zaran ran away from Captain America don't you? You do know that Zaran at the time even had help from Matchete as well don't you? Seriosly blocking bullets isn't a superhuman act in comics.

Heck Cap has outrun bullets in one scene and in another. So forget just hand movement but total body movement. No Elektras feats don't compare. Even Cap's crazier feat of blocking beams is still better then him running faster then bullets. You do know Cap played in beams under zero gravity. There was like 11 or more beams shooting at him. Sure one could argue he dodged one of there aim but all 11. I'm talking the space wasn't even that big and they had a tracking guiding them as well. Sure Cap had his shield but in some of the panels he didn't even use the shield.

And at one point he even threw the shield and still avoided the beams. Seriously jinzin. Funny thing is. Even though Cap's speed feats are better. Thats not what really justifies him to be faster. His direct comparisons against his peers is what helps really displays this and his statements of being enhanced to the peak of human potential.

Plus here Elekra its hard to tell by the art work but she's going toe to toe with her evil half in a sai throwing fight and gets hit. So even she gets hit by much slower things then bullets.

Funny thing is before Daredevil was attempting to parry bullets as well. Elektra moved out of the way and said its to risky. It all depends on the writer on how they portray bullets or make bullets job. Either way your focusing to much on that feat and clamoring superhuman speed. And if that example alone isn't good enough just look at all the times she's been hit by slower things. I can't believe I have to even point this out. She's even been hit by chains on different occasions.

Originally posted by Daredevil1

Oh my god these chain strikes must being going faster then bullets.

And were you always clamoring how impressive it was for Elektra beating a class 10 Silver Samurai. Well even in that scan while yes they do say he's class 10. They say Elektra is athlete.....LOL.

Elektra is not superhuman in speed nor strength which is what you used to say. So only you can quote bios for other characters but not fore Elektra. Give me a break.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
You may be right, I am not sure, I could have sworn it was stated as not cannon in an article, but I could be wrong.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I argued that it cannon for quite a few reason valid ones, more so then comic created to hype a video game. For starters the author in an article clearly implies it was ment to be cannon. Also the issue came out right after wolverien regain his memories. Wolverine also shown that he knows how to get to the top cow world due to
L&L

They're not more valid than reasons that stand for the Imperfect mini.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No it did amp her. he;ll the crap made normal humans superhumans. It made them stornger and faster not simply more agressive.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes Logan thinks extremely highly of elektra, but that does not mean he would not beat her. They have had one legitment fight, rest were very circumstantial. Logan damage soak is simply to much

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Basically I got into this same debate with jinzin on Elektra. He proclaimed Elektra is superhuman. But I showed she isn't. Direct comparisons are more important then flashy feats. If her peers that she fights state she is superhuman faster then them or is superhuman in comparison to them. That is more important then flashy feats. Because then any athlete character can be argued to be superhuman like.

Here's some of that debate of the scans that I used.

Blah blah blah, yeah no you didn't. You showed low end feats which EVERY character has.

Her discription as an "athlete" which you cling to like grim death doesn't devalue her ACTUAL ON PANEL FEATS, which have been superhuman across the board.

You're argument poses nonsense. As if Danny Rand isn't capible of superhuman feats due to being a human. 😐

baseline start off point is olympic peak human adrenaline, TP and chi amps can increase most MA fighters to superhuman lvls.. the lowest end feat of this being possible is taskmaster and his bullet catching feat and fast foward speed burst. he is limited with the amount of usage but the better trained you are the more likely and longer they can maintain and increase strength and speed/reflex to the superhuman lvl....