Mxy + Mandrakk + COIE AM vs. Molecule Man + PR Beyonder + Living Tribunal · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

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m'kay, but how exactly are we gathering that the universe beyonder created was larger than the mainstream marvel universe?

for one, the big bang of beyonder's universe was directly compared to that of the mainstream marvel universe:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1893027/sw2.jpg.html

so...

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Or perhaps it was this instance?

"meeting no resistance in the infinite beyond":
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1893028/sw3.jpg.html

obviously it met no resistance. we already know the beyond realm was just a void... so what resistance would his big bang have met? however, i think it's wrong to assume his universe 'filled' the beyond realm, as it was never stated so.

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or this?

"giving meaning to the infinity in which they dwell":
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1893029/sw4.jpg.html

only thing i can say is, all universes in marvel are infinite. so again, nothing there leads me to believe his universe was >> those of the mainstream creation.

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here's the whole scan:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1893026/sw.jpg.html

[just so no one thinks i'm hiding anything]

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yes, i know the beyond realm itself was larger, but i've yet to see anything that indicates the universe beyonder spewed, 'filled' the beyond realm itself.

other then that, nothing he's done compares to what mxy's done. imo.

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

What's Mxy done in a canon story that compares? I know you think Worlds Funnest is canon, but that doesn't make it true.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What's Mxy done in a canon story that compares? I know you think Worlds Funnest is canon, but that doesn't make it true.

i've given MORE than enough evidence as to why 'WF' is canon. and so far, all other people have tried to discredit this evidence with is their personal opinion. srsly

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

Those are great feats.

I'll humor you and let you use WF. How is that more impressive than what the Beyonder has done?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
How is that more impressive than what the Beyonder has done?

destroyed an infinite number of universes/restored them all with a snap, owned spectre numerous times, retconned on a whim, etc, etc.

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

Great. Try this on and tell me how it fits. Thanos with the power of God couldn't kill Death or Atleza doing the same thing Mxy did in WF. Beyonder easily summoned Death and then killed her.

Beyonder also destroyed countless universes from over-thinking, he caused enormous damage across the "infinite" multiverse from having a temper tantrum.

"Meh" to Mxy says I.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Great. Try this on and tell me how it fits. Thanos with the power of God couldn't kill Death or Atleza doing the same thing Mxy did in WF. Beyonder easily summoned Death and then killed her.

death is FAR inferior to the likes of LT/eternity/infinity - [all of whom were owned by thanos.]

so i don't get your point..

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Beyonder also destroyed countless universes from over-thinking,

scans? 🙂

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
he caused enormous damage across the "infinite" multiverse from having a temper tantrum.

m'kay, well mxy actually destroyed the "infinite" multiverse.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
"Meh" to Mxy says I.

say what you will. 🙂

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

Originally posted by Galan007
death is FAR inferior to the likes of LT/eternity/infinity - [all of whom were owned by thanos.]
so i don't get your point..

My point is Thanos did the same thing with the power of God and couldn't kill Death, are you going to suggest a weaker power would be able to? Beyonder killed Death without trying.

scans? 🙂

I was incorrect, it doesn't say "countless" it just says he collapsed dimensions. The point still stands, Beyonder was doing all this without trying.

m'kay, well mxy actually destroyed the "infinite" multiverse.

Same thing what I said above. I read WF and I know that Mxy put forth some effort to do what he did, it wasn't easy. Everything the Beyonder did, he did without effort.

say what you will. 🙂

👆

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
My point is Thanos did the same thing with the power of God and couldn't kill Death, are you going to suggest a weaker power would be able to? Beyonder killed Death without trying.

death was only safe because she was outside of creation when thanos absorbed it. if he wanted to kill her off, it would have been so.

unless you think that thanos was in some way incapable of owning death, despite his owning LT. srsly

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
I was incorrect, it doesn't say "countless" it just says he collapsed dimensions. The point still stands, Beyonder was doing all this without trying.

umm, and?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Same thing what I said above. I read WF and I know that Mxy put forth some effort to do what he did, it wasn't easy.

you may want to read it again - as everything mxy did was quite effortless.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Everything the Beyonder did, he did without effort.

and he didn't do anything on par with mxy.

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

It wasn't effortless. He had a temper tantrum and unleashed a huge display of power erasing everything.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
It wasn't effortless. He had a temper tantrum and unleashed a huge display of power erasing everything.

it obviously didn't take too much of his power to destroy, as he recreated it all with a snap.

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Galan007 = 5

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stan5677 Senior Member

mxy solos

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

Originally posted by shokosugi
Galan007 = 5
KnowsBleed = 0

In the eyes of a DC fanbag.

Mr Master Junior Member

Leave this to me KB,
I've been waiting for this.

Originally posted by Galan007
m'kay, but how exactly are we gathering that the universe beyonder created was larger than the mainstream marvel universe?

😐

Originally posted by Galan007
however, i think it's wrong to assume his universe 'filled' the beyond realm,
as it was never stated so.

False .. and facepalm

Originally posted by Galan007
[just so no one thinks i'm hiding anything]

You're not hiding anything,
but you sure are misinterpreting the scans,
and leaving out other material from the arc that elaborates on
the facts concerning Beyonder/Beyond Realm.

Originally posted by Galan007
yes, i know the beyond realm itself was larger

Aren't you fallaciously attempting to prove
that "nothing" suggests the Beyond Realm >>> Infinite Multiverse,
with the scans you're posting?

Now you "know" it was larger?

Which is it?

Originally posted by Galan007
i've yet to see anything that indicates the universe beyonder spewed,
'filled' the beyond realm itself.

The Universe Beyonder spewed was the Beyond Realm so 👇 to your fallacy.

"Guess I'll just disincorporate, EXPAND to FILL
or actually to become the ol' Beyond Realm again"

Originally posted by Galan007
other then that, nothing he's done compares to what mxy's done. imo.

Other than anything, nothin Mxy has done
compares with what Beyonder's done, imo.

See, easy to just write opinions away.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
destroyed an infinite number of universes/restored them all with a snap

Beyonder created a Universe that compared to an "infinite amount of Universes,"
was like comparing an ocean to a droplet of water.

Mxy is an insect next to Beyonder if this is all you got.

Originally posted by Galan007
owned spectre numerous times

Beyonder made the Living Tribunal tremble with fear. 🙂

Beyonder (while limiting himself)
defeated in two panels a being (Owne Reece)
who was more powerful than the Multiverse combined. (including the LT)

Originally posted by Galan007
retconned on a whim etc, etc.

Beyonder retconned Hulk's destiny,
gave Rachel Summers a choice of 5 different destinies,
ect, ect.

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Anyway, any further bull shit
concerning Beyonder being the entirety of the Beyond Realm

can be taken up with the writer,
incase Beyonder's words (which are actually the Writer's words - dur aren't enough)

"Beyonder was from a whole different Multiverse,
where he was everything, and everything was him ...

... in a sense, he was like GOD before Genesis"

*** Yes, yes, also stated On Panel***

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That should shut down the hatin for good.

Xplosive Restricted

PR Beyonder solos.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Universe Beyonder spewed was the Beyond Realm so 👇 to your fallacy.
"Guess I'll just disincorporate, EXPAND to FILL
or actually to become the ol' Beyond Realm again"

i figured you'd post that scan. regardless, i think it's sketchy at best to assume this single comment [from a different issue] would have a bearing on what was accomplished in the final issue.

i just don't think it's as clear cut as you make it sound.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Beyonder created a Universe that compared to an "infinite amount of Universes,"
was like comparing an ocean to a droplet of water.
Mxy is an insect next to Beyonder if this is all you got.

that, of course, is IF you think the above was a literal statement, and not hyperbole. this aside, how exactly is that a battle feat? [ie. how is universal creation going to harm mxy?]

Originally posted by Mr Master
Beyonder made the Living Tribunal tremble with fear. 🙂

and mxy has made a manifestation of the writer "tremble". is that a feat now?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Beyonder retconned Hulk's destiny,
gave Rachel Summers a choice of 5 different destinies,
ect, ect.

that's cool and all, but i'm talking about completely retconning characters from existence... not just changing their destiny.

Originally posted by Mr Master
can be taken up with the writer,
incase Beyonder's words (which are actually the Writer's words - dur aren't enough)
"Beyonder was from a whole different Multiverse,
where [b]he was everything, and everything was him ...
... in a sense, he was like GOD before Genesis"[/B]

again, i am not among those who think statements = feats. should i post articles where carlin is talking about mxy?

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
i figured you'd post that scan. regardless, i think it's sketchy at best to assume this single comment [from a different issue] would have a bearing on what was accomplished in the final issue.

The only word that stuck out out this paragraph is "regardless"
which basically translates to:

[yea, I see it was stated as I claimed it wasn't, but meh, I'll dismiss it anyway}

Nice.

Originally posted by Galan007
i just don't think it's as clear cut as you make it sound.

Goodness, do I really have to post like 20 scans that spans ALL the Secret Wars issues,
clearly defining Beyonder as the totality of the Beyond Realm?

Goodness, I posted on panel 2 scans, (clear cut)
and if that wasn't enough,
the freaking Writer himself (Shooter) stating the same shit in an interview.

Lord, how far has your resentment of the Beyonder gone?

Originally posted by Galan007
that, of course, is IF you think the above was a literal statement, and not hyperbole. this aside, how exactly is that a battle feat? [ie. how is universal creation going to harm mxy?]

How can it be hyperbole, if Beyonder (On Panel) did in fact create the Beyond Realm,
which was stated to be the size it was?

Were you really expecting Al Milgrom to draw an infinite tape measure as proof?

🤨

On top of this:

How is destroying/recreating something that's like a drop of water,
in comparison with Beyonder that was like an ocean?

Originally posted by Galan007
and mxy has made a manifestation of the writer "tremble". is that a feat now?

Nah, because that's 4th wall garbage.

Beyonder made the second most powerful character in Marvel at the time tremble,
not some silly fictional representation of the writer,
who basically had the artist draw him in a goofy scenario.

That nonsense is so stupid to bring up it's really beyond me the dare of it.

But if you wanna go there:

Shooter claimed that his avatar was part of the droplet of water Beyonder discovered,
so ... 😬

"We introduced the Beyonder
and established
that he was studying these beings - us - he had discovered"

Originally posted by Galan007
that's cool and all, but i'm talking about completely retconning characters from existence... not just changing their destiny.

Huh? .. Erasing characters from existence?

That's a duck walk for the UN, or CN, or a number of other powers.

Please.

Originally posted by Galan007
again, i am not among those who think statements = feats.
should i post articles where carlin is talking about mxy?

Do whatever,
I'm just adding further weight to what was stated and depicted on panel.

Since evidently the on panel showing aren't enough for ya.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Mr Master
The only word that stuck out out this paragraph is "regardless"
which basically translates to:
[yea, I see it was stated as I claimed it wasn't, but meh, I'll dismiss it anyway}
Nice.

that's not what my word choice was meant to represent, at all. it's okay though, jab where you can, i guess. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
On top of this:
How is destroying/recreating something that's like a drop of water,
in comparison with Beyonder that was like an ocean?

analogies from marvel cannot crossover into dc. it's ridiculous to assume otherwise.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah, because that's 4th wall garbage.
Beyonder made the second most powerful character in Marvel at the time tremble,
not some silly fictional representation of the writer,
who basically had the artist draw him in a goofy scenario.
That nonsense is so stupid to bring up it's really beyond me the dare of it.

ahh it's all garbage. gotcha. 👆

Originally posted by Mr Master
Huh? .. Erasing characters from existence?
That's a duck walk for the UN, or CN, or a number of other powers.
Please.

character retcons differ greatly from nullification.

i didn't respond to the rest because my opinion on the matter has already been stated. there is no reason to repeat things several times [and on the same page, no less.] 🙂