Star Wars versus Star Trek....

I searched, didn't find a thread on this, so......Here we go.

First and foremost, I know shit about the Star Trek universe. The first few pages of this thread will be all of us determining what constitutes as even of a matchup as possible. Some questions must be answered, like:

1. Which ST universe to use, the new one, or the William Shatner one?

2. How many start destroyers would it take to take on the USS Enterprise?

3. Should the Death Stars be allowed? The Jedi?

4. What starfighters does Star Trek have that can matchup aganst an X Wing or a TIE?

Basically, the thread is open for all of us to determine what is a fair matchup, i.e. How many star destroyers, death stars, etc; etc; etc;

The scenario I had in mind is that the USS Enterprise is out exploring and it comes across the Star Wars universe, Shit goes wrong, war is declared. Or is there a better scenario? Let me know, I am open to any and all scenarios, as long as it is a fair one. We all decide, together.

This thread is breaking a few forum rules, but I see it as a joint effort between all of us.

There's a few on this board, latest one was in the Star Trek forum.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f103/t499313.html

Not one here though?

RJ, I think you would be well within the rules to have an Enterprise B or C or D bersus a star destroyer or a super star destroyer.

That should be okay.

Originally posted by dadudemon
RJ, I think you would be well within the rules to have an Enterprise B or C or D bersus a star destroyer or a super star destroyer.

That should be okay.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, I am gonna turn deciding the conditions over to you, I havent a clue what you just said haermm

We could do a Clone Trooper vs. Jem'Hadar.

Or a clone trooper army versus a Jem"Hadar army.

Read up on Jem'Hardar's and their abilities, and you decide. 👆

Originally posted by dadudemon
We could do a Clone Trooper vs. Jem'Hadar.

Or a clone trooper army versus a Jem"Hadar army.

Read up on Jem'Hardar's and their abilities, and you decide. 👆

the jem'hadar may be too much for the clone troopers

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
the jem'hadar may be too much for the clone troopers

They are. But aren't there many more clone troopers than Jem?+

This is why I think it's a good debate: much to talk about.

I think the X wings and TIE's play a more crucial role here than ever.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I think the X wings and TIE's play a more crucial role here than ever.

Those small ships wouldn't do shit to most ST ships, even swarms of them

What does the ST offer in the way of starfighters?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What does the ST offer in the way of starfighters?

The Delta flyer...aaaaaaaannnndddd....that's just about it. 🙂
If you wanna get "big", we could incorporate borg sphere's...but that's stupid. I prefer to keep it to federation technologies.

The Imperial Navy clearly outclasses the Federation with firepower. Even the Enterprise, which is a Galaxy Class star ship, has shit when compared with the flagships of the Empire. A Star Destroyer would easily overpower any Enterprise ship with an assault of TIE's (fighters, bombers, etc.) and the sheer firepower of the hundreds of cannons/lasers placed throughout the hull of the ship.

The only thing the Federation has, besides the main ship, are the transport shuttles. Remember, these are not military ships, even if the whole crew of the ship is, for better, in a military hierarchy. These are not warriors. They're explorers.

The only plus I can find for the Enterprise is the speed and manueverability of the ship.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What does the ST offer in the way of starfighters?

Starfleet, Klingons, Vulcans and Romulans don't have much in regards to small craft except for shuttle craft and the like, which aren't made for battle, but could possibly take on a Tie/X-Wing or two due to their shielding.

A Defiant class which is one of the smallest battle-ships could destroy countless X-wing and Ties.

Edit: Is this just the Federation Vs the Empire? Or do we bring in the likes of the Klingons, Romulans etc too?

Originally posted by Impediment
The Imperial Navy clearly outclasses the Federation with firepower. Even the Enterprise, which is a Galaxy Class star ship, has shit when compared with the flagships of the Empire. A Star Destroyer would easily overpower any Enterprise ship with an assault of TIE's (fighters, bombers, etc.) and the sheer firepower of the hundreds of cannons/lasers placed throughout the hull of the ship.

The only thing the Federation has, besides the main ship, are the transport shuttles. Remember, these are not military ships, even if the whole crew of the ship is, for better, in a military hierarchy. These are not warriors. They're explorers.

The only plus I can find for the Enterprise is the speed and manueverability of the ship.

What about transporters? They could just transport the main reactors of each ship into space and phaser fire it.

There's tons of things that the Federation Vessals can do, with their technology, that makes the Star Wars tech look lame.

Star Wars has got speed on Star Trek. The Death Star is another......

But what else? Shields? No.

Weapons other than Death Star? No.

Etc.

Originally posted by dadudemon
What about transporters? They could just transport the main reactors of each ship into space and phaser fire it.

Dude, a photon torpedo transported to SW ship's engine room would either outright destroy it or make it nearly useless.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
First and foremost, I know shit about the Star Trek universe.

1. Generally, Star Trek tech>Star Wars tech. ST has food replicators, transporter systems, and in-ship force fields, not to mention superior hand-held weaponry in phasers.
2. Phasers>Lightsabers. Now a Jedi should be superior to your average Starfleet officer due to his skill, battle experience, force abilities, etc. However a phaser can do much more things. Widen beams to incapacitate a whole room. It can be set to 16(more or less) settings. They can be set to stun, incapacitate, kill, or incinerate. It can also be used as a cutting tools similar to a lightsaber.
3. Jedi/Sith will probably be superior to any ground units Star Trek can muster, and this includes Starfleet, Borg, Jem'Hadar, Vulcan, and Klingon.
4. Star Trek focus much more on martial arts than Star Wars.
5. The average Starfleet officer is smarter than your average Empire officer in tech. Strategy is vice verca.
6. Ship-to-ship, Star Wars ships are much bigger in size than Star Trek.
7. The only thing I'm not sure about is(and this needs to be debated here) what's faster: Hyper Drive(SW) or Warp Speed(ST)?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
1. Which ST universe to use, the new one, or the William Shatner one?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
2. How many start destroyers would it take to take on the USS Enterprise?

But if it's strictly a ship-to-ship battle I'd give it to SW. Wheras ST has quantum torpedoes, SW has Ion Cannons(EMP-like).

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
3. Should the Death Stars be allowed? The Jedi?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
4. What does the ST offer in the way of starfighters?

Originally posted by dadudemon
They are. But aren't there many more clone troopers than Jem?+

This is why I think it's a good debate: much to talk about.

yeah, they are, but the jem'hadar are fantastic and ferocious warriors

Well the Jem'Hadar are clearly superior to the Jango cloned Clone Troopers physically. They also have cloaking devices.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Well the Jem'Hadar are clearly superior to the Jango cloned Clone Troopers physically. They also have cloaking devices.

yep