Originally posted by quanchi112
I like Thanos better as more of an anti hero anyways. I think being pure evil is played out and has been done to death.Being a god doesn't prove anything. It sounds cool, but it really what does it amount to.
😛 It amounts to being cool, which amounts to being entertaining. DS is cool. 😉
Originally posted by AllanklesThat's why we disagree. I think Ds is cool, but Thanos is by far the coolest. This is entirely subjective.
😛 It amounts to being cool, which amounts to being entertaining. DS is cool. 😉
If someone tells me Rhino is their hero I can laugh, but I really can't change that person's opinion and why would I Rhino needs some love as well.
"Faces like yours are not bred on New Genesis! Yet that is your home... You scoff at old men and laugh too loudly.. Yet you really respect us.. and cry when you bow that ugly head! Well, you seem to have lost Metron and chosen Darkseid...
I'll take what I need of you, Esak.. and then give what Highfather would deny you! The strength to kill yourself!" - Darkseid.
Originally posted by AllanklesNo, he really hasn't. He actually has had terrible writing. I'll give you a few examples. Ds's beatdown in superman/batman. Their rematch in superman/batman where even batman causes him to bleed.
It is subjective to a point, but it's clear DS has benefited from better writing. 😉
Hp isn't kind to Ds physically or mentally as all he had to do was bfr the unthinking brute. An was also very unkind to Ds.
Countdown also showed that despite all his planning he was beaten at the end of the day by his son. He also showed again prior to that he can't beat Superman straight up.
It's the same thing over and over again plotwise with the ale. It's uncreative writing at it's best. What might have been creative once has turned into something repetitive and stale over the years.
Even in final crisis most readers thought it was terribly written, very confusing, and didn't even have anything climactic concerning Darkseid at all.
Originally posted by EnyalusThat wasn't the real Thanos. At the time it was. I am not saying he hasn't fallen victim to it as most characters with a long history have, but it was retconned and most of his stories aren't having him seek out an old plot device like the ig.
Thanos has had some poor writing, too. Like being physically overpowered by Ka-zar while amped (a Thanosi).
Hey quan? It's extremely hypocritical to use the clone arguement, and then dismiss the avatar arguement out of hand. 👇
And you're also not citing Darkseid's best writing, just some of his low points. I can cite a few low points for Thanos. Like Warlock showing him how he subconsciously fails at everything due to an inferiority complex. Or how Surfer was beating him in a battlefield where they were both depowered, and Thanos has to resort to mindgames because he can't beat Surfer in a straight fight.
Don't play this game.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestThanos' instances have been specifically addressed.
Hey quan? It's extremely hypocritical to use the clone arguement, and then dismiss the avatar arguement out of hand. 👇And you're also not citing Darkseid's best writing, just some of his low points. I can cite a few low points for Thanos. Like Warlock showing him how he subconsciously fails at everything due to an inferiority complex. Or how Surfer was beating him in a battlefield where they were both depowered, and Thanos has to resort to mindgames because he can't beat Surfer in a straight fight.
Don't play this game.
What is Darkseid's best writing? Be a dear and let me in on the best kept secret in comics. Is there a Darkseid story locked up in a vault that really heats up or something?
I like that about Thanos. The only way for them to beat Thanos was to let him beat himself. No one is man enough or smart enough to do it. he also didn't fall victim to it in marvel's the end.
I liked that story as well. Thanos still won in the end. Even when he loses he still comes out on top.
Thanos isn't some superman villain who gets beaten in virtually every medium out there. Even video games have Superman creaming the guy.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I can cite a few low points for Thanos. Like Warlock showing him how he subconsciously fails at everything due to an inferiority complex.
It was really good writing, IMO. And it happens a few times. The last time I believe is during Thanos #1, when he talks to Warlock about what it was like to have the Heart of the Universe's power. Good stuff. Not bad writing.
Perfect characters are boring characters. Everyone needs a tragic flaw.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos' instances have been specifically addressed.What is Darkseid's best writing? Be a dear and let me in on the best kept secret in comics. Is there a Darkseid story locked up in a vault that really heats up or something?
I like that about Thanos. The only way for them to beat Thanos was to let him beat himself. No one is man enough or smart enough to do it. he also didn't fall victim to it in marvel's the end.
Losses and victories aren't what constitute good writing. You can have Thanos be "the toughest there is" and still have a horribly derivative story pushing him. Feats, power ups, battles (to some extent) fall in the same category.
Good writing is about taking a character and giving him a compelling personality something Kirby did successfully with DS, especially in the Hunger Dogs. Being fictionally consistent is also part of good writing as losses have to be plausible. No one is going to bring up S/B as good writing for DS.
How about Seven Soldiers, FC, The Hunger Dogs, JKFW, The New God origin specials, The Great Darkness Saga, Rock of Ages, a couple of fine stories by Simonson and co. in the Orion series.
Getting power ups doesn't constitute a good story either, seeing as there's rarely a compelling story following such events (DONG).
Originally posted by Allankles
Losses and victories aren't what constitute good writing. You can have Thanos be "the toughest there is" and still have a horribly derivative story pushing him.
Originally posted by Allankles
Good writing is about taking a character and giving him a compelling personality something Kirby did successfully with DS, especially in the Hunger Dogs. Being fictionally consistent is also part of good writing as losses have to be plausible. No one is going to bring up S/B as good writing for DS.How about Seven Soldiers, FC, The Hunger Dogs, JKFW, The New God origin specials, The Great Darkness Saga, Rock of Ages, a couple of fine stories by Simonson and co. in the Orion series.
I didn't like Seven Soldiers. And I can't see why anybody did. But I think it was because of the style it was written in. It's like, I don't give a damn about Guardian. Why should I have to suffer through four issues of his stories?
Rock of Ages wasn't that special, either.
Originally posted by Allankles
Yeah but it has to be an interesting flaw. An inferiority complex isn't the most interesting flaw, for various reasons (especially for story possibilities).
Originally posted by Enyalus
Rock of Ages wasn't that special, either. [/B]
Rock of Ages was primarily cool because we saw the heroes pushed to the brink by 15 yrs of suffering under the yoke of DS. It was cool to see grizzled, take-no-prisoners guerilla soldier versions of DC's heroes.
Superman dead, the other JLA members weakened, dead or showing the wear and tear of 15 yrs of constant warfare, learning what it's like living on Apokolips.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I didn't like Seven Soldiers. And I can't see why anybody did. But I think it was because of the style it was written in. It's like, I don't give a damn about Guardian. Why should I have to suffer through four issues of his stories?[/B]
To each his own. 😛 Seven Soldiers basically proved there are different kind of heroes than the big destructively powerful Heralds like Supes and Hal or the glamorous Wonderwoman's and Batmans.
The Guardian is basically what an every day man (in his case a soldier) would be like if he became a super hero. In a way he's like a more realistic, reduced version of Batman.
And, it was a welcome relief from the typical mainstream comic. I liked the re-invented Klarion the Witch Boy.
Originally posted by Allankles
Rock of Ages was primarily cool