Originally posted by james2099
Answers this question then. Of all the ones i name, who can superman beat is a powerless fight?? Thor, WW, Batman, Herc, juggernaut, lex luthor, Captain America, Aunt may, Wolverine, Rhino, Jean grey, Doctor doom, Steel and Ironfist..... You keep trying to put superman in the wrong company when it comes to fighting skills... You think that since he has limited training with Bats and WW, that he is now in the same class as them??? Its like me trying to put Rhino and thing in the same strength class as Thor, Herc and WW. Supes can have 100 billion showings, but there are still less known or rarely shown characters that will beat his AZZ into the ground with all his powers by outfighting him on a skilled level, then murder him without powers at all. He is a decent fighter.. nothing more, nothing less... Gladiator is far above a decent fighter.
superman is better than a decent fighter. i never once said he was as skilled as the likes of wonder woman, thor or captain america.
he's still a competent fighter though, a well trained tactical fighter. and he's beaten lex more recently than lex has beaten him.
Originally posted by james2099
Does he remember it?. A thousand years is nothing to most i named. Hell, thor would call him a child.
yes, he does. he also remember's wielding dc's mjolnir when thor became too injured to carry on using it.
a thousand years in a brutal war on the side of asgard is plenty experience.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixIt was to make a point, I know he would beat the likes of rhino, jean and aunt may (not cain or steel ), my point is that on that list i named, he could only defeat the un-skilled fighters. And by you leaving out the skilled fighters, you proved my point... thanks.
Jean, Cain, Aunt May, Lex, Rhino and possibly Steel would all lose to Clark in a powerless h2h fight.Honestly your posts turned into trolling as soon as you mentioned Aunt May as someone who could beat him H2H.
Originally posted by james2099
It was to make a point, I know he would beat the likes of rhino, jean and aunt may (not cain or steel ), my point is that on that list i named, he could only defeat the un-skilled fighters. And by you leaving out the skilled fighters, you proved my point... thanks.
What real h2h feats does Cain have that put him over Clark? Him beating a lot of skilled fighters doesn't really help your argument seeing as it's his invulnerability and strength that grants him those victories.
Originally posted by RaoulWhich issues did that take place in?
Superman has 1000+ years of experience.
Originally posted by james2099You seem to be making a lot of excuses for Gladiator. Gladiator is very good, but like it or not he's no Superman. It's a close fight but Superman takes a slight majority.
Then name some fighters in his range and above his range that he is as skilled as.
Originally posted by RaoulRaoul, I have told you that supes is a decent, good and noted fighter.... But he is nowhere in gladiators, thor, WW, Bats or Captain Americas fighting skill range. That does not mean that they could beat his azz at full power.. ( gladiator will ).. but the rest would beat his azz with no powers involved, 2 of them will send him to the hospital after a long fight ( Thor, WW ) I give him victory over thor 6/10 due to speed if they fought at full power.
superman is better than a decent fighter. i never once said he was as skilled as the likes of wonder woman, thor or captain america.he's still a competent fighter though, a well trained tactical fighter. and he's beaten lex more recently than lex has beaten him.
yes, he does. he also remember's wielding dc's mjolnir when thor became too injured to carry on using it.
a thousand years in a brutal war on the side of asgard is plenty experience.
Originally posted by james2099
Raoul, I have told you that supes is a decent, good and noted fighter.... But he is nowhere in gladiators, thor, WW, Bats or Captain Americas fighting skill range. That does not mean that they could beat his azz at full power.. ( gladiator will ).. but the rest would beat his azz with no powers involved, 2 of them will send him to the hospital after a long fight ( Thor, WW ) I give him victory over thor 6/10 due to speed if they fought at full power.
gladiator is on wondy or cap's level now? eh, no.
also, superman is above cain and irons when it comes to skill. neither have showings of pure skill like clark does that i can recollect.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Which issues did that take place in? You seem to be making a lot of excuses for Gladiator. Gladiator is very good, but like it or not he's no Superman. It's a close fight but Superman takes a slight majority.
action comics 761. it's a good issue imo.
Originally posted by Raoulalso, superman is above cain and irons when it comes to skill. neither have showings of pure skill like clark does that i can recollect.
Well I can speak for Cain. He at best has limited military training which would possibly include some h2h training. I say limited because he was
1. Drafted into the service IIRC someone correct me if I'm wrong.
2. He wasn't too thrilled about being there in the first place hence his first instinct to run and hide the first chance he got.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanks. 🙂
yeah, its the issue where he famously refuses to bang wonder woman even after she basically throws herself at him... the douche.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Well I can speak for Cain. He at best has limited military training which would possibly include some h2h training. I say limited because he was1. Drafted into the service IIRC someone correct me if I'm wrong.
2. He wasn't too thrilled about being there in the first place hence his first instinct to run and hide the first chance he got.
aye.
Originally posted by quanchi112You are right, he is no superman.... hes above supes in speed, strength and fighting skills... you know the Supreme, king Hyperion type of characters?? The ones based after pre-crisis superman?? Not the weaker i cannot outrun light or move a planet without taking a bath in the sun, ram a moon and get koed version of superman. I am by no means low rating superman, but the superman that gladiator is based off of is not the one you are defending here.
Which issues did that take place in? You seem to be making a lot of excuses for Gladiator. Gladiator is very good, but like it or not he's no Superman. It's a close fight but Superman takes a slight majority.
Originally posted by james2099
You are right, he is no superman.... hes above supes in speed, strength and fighting skills... you know the Supreme, king Hyperion type of characters?? The ones based after pre-crisis superman?? Not the weaker i cannot outrun light or move a planet without taking a bath in the sun, ram a moon and get koed version of superman. I am by no means low rating superman, but the superman that gladiator is based off of is not the one you are defending here.
you name low feats and untruths for superman and then say you're not low rating him?
Originally posted by james2099
Gladiator wins both. Supes will be in too much pain from the kryptonite and gladiators fist. The second is spite, Gladiator would murder supes in that type of fight. Supes is no warrior and his fighting skills are so poor, that when he lost his powers, a regular human beat his azz in less than 5 seconds.
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supes ftw
Originally posted by james2099
Writers have shown that Clark and his kind are weak fighters in the comics and in the movies when they lose their powers, Humans like juggernaut, thing, rhino, sandman, batman, WW, Steel, lex luthor and plenty others will beat his azz if neither of them have powers... When thor( one of the greatest warriors in comics ) fought gladiator and superman for the first time, what did he say?? To Glads, he said... this is no mere competent fighter, but a WARRIOR OF CUNNING AND SKILL.....To Supes, he said, you are strong???? You can try to make superman out to be a skilled fighter all you want, and you can agree with all the other DC fanboys, but the writers, supes showings, and fights with skilled fighters tell a different story... Thats why he is losing here.
supes is actually genius intellect and a excellent fighter. As a kryptonian he dont go all out alot, and half the time he gets his ass handed to him is his own boy scout attitude he dont want to hurt someone, even a enemie.
Give supes blackadams attitude haha gladis dies in 15 seconds. Clarks ability to rage in the proper fashion and hes a dangerous mother fu............
Originally posted by RaoulNot being lightfast and getting koed by ramming a moon is not a low showing. That moon is the biggest thing he has ever tried to destroy. Thats child play for the likes of gladiator, had supes destroyed a planet and gladiator got koed by ramming a moon, you and a few others would have used those also... I used the two biggest things they ever tried to destroy on panel and and one stood on the planet and hit it with strength alone and destroyed it... The other flew into it using flight to help him get enough force to destroy a moon.
you name low feats and untruths for superman and then say you're not low rating him?
Originally posted by james2099
Not being lightfast and getting koed by ramming a moon is not a low showing. That moon is the biggest thing he has ever tried to destroy. Thats child play for the likes of gladiator, had supes destroyed a planet and gladiator got koed by ramming a moon, you and a few others would have used those also... I used the two biggest things they ever tried to destroy on panel and and one stood on the planet and hit it with strength alone and destroyed it... The other flew into it using flight to help him get enough force to destroy a moon.
he has several on panel showings of going faster than light. on panel, indisputable showings.
the moon isn't his biggest strength/durability feat, not by a long way.
and no, i wouldn't have used it if it was the other way around.
Originally posted by james2099
Not being lightfast and getting koed by ramming a moon is not a low showing. That moon is the biggest thing he has ever tried to destroy. Thats child play for the likes of gladiator, had supes destroyed a planet and gladiator got koed by ramming a moon, you and a few others would have used those also... I used the two biggest things they ever tried to destroy on panel and and one stood on the planet and hit it with strength alone and destroyed it... The other flew into it using flight to help him get enough force to destroy a moon.
You think Superman can't go faster than light?