This is the second thread in which you have used the word "wankery" in such an ambiguous manner. Elaborate. Why is saying that Sidious will win this fight "wankery"?
Saying that he does so with 'little effort', 99 times out of a 100, and simply becuase he's 'the most powerful evar!!', without any consideration of extraneous circumstances, is what I count as 'wankery'. It would be like if I argued that Sidious would own Mace Windu simply becuase he's 'Da Boss', without taking into consideration Vaapad or Shatterpoint.
Nobody cares.
That's unnecessarily rude. I was merely stating that I'd already argued this fight, explaining why I was disinterested in doing it again.
This statement, in fact, is a demonstration of "wankery" at its finest. You provide a conclusion and don't bother attempting to corroborate or prove it, simply to fellate one of your favorite characters.
How is saying Bane ties and losses 'fellating' him? How is simply stating an opinion 'wankery at its finest'? People do it all the time in just about every thread. I just don't want to get into the arguments and flame wars of the old days over Bane v Sids.
I haven't been checking up on your other arguments with DS, but here, his foot is wedged firmly between your rosy red cheeks.
You should, its pretty interesting, if you can stomach the snipping, and your opinion is always appreciated.
Unnecessarily rude? No, I think it was necessary enough. I'll be happy to explain the situation to you.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The amount of Sidious wankery in this thread makes me sad.
You mentioned Sidious wankery. What Sidious wankery? So people are assuming that he would spank Bane; you haven't exactly provided the counterargument of ages to prove them wrong. It's been established through multiple sources that Palpatine was more powerful than Bane as of the prequel trilogy.
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I want to pause to relish the sensation of Palpatine's unflinching superiority over Bane.
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All right. Now, this fact is important because it establishes something important: even at his canonical "weakest," Palpatine has an advantage on Bane; he's stronger in the Force and his manipulations of it surpass Bane's by a frightening degree. Because this is a combat scenario and Bane has certain advantages of his own (i.e. orbalisk armor and maintained lightsaber prowess), power might not mean the deciding factor.
But you don't bother to offer such an argument. You come in and blindly assert that "Bane will tie or possibly win" or "he'll lose with extreme difficulty" against two different incarnations of a Force user who is more powerful than Bane in either form.
That is wankery. Though power is not necessarily a deciding factor, it is the exception, not the rule. Coming in and promoting one character, saying he'll win, without backing it up is wankery when the character is established to be weaker than the other character without question.
For example: Yoda vs. Ventress.
Now, it's annoying when people just spam the thread "lawl Yoda." But it's not like such a fight requires an intricate argument as to why Yoda will win, does it? He's established to be more powerful than Ventress, he's the favorite, the expected victor.
Now if someone waltzes in and shouts "Ventress," we expect him or her to explain themselves.
You lectured the rest of the group because they didn't come to the conclusion that you reached, and you don't even bother to explain how you came to that conclusion in the first place?
I see a glaring double standard. Which is what I called you out on. If you want to lay into people for just assuming Sidious will win, go ahead. But the "lulz Bane ties and possibly wins and then loses with extreme difficulty" doesn't fly either.
Originally posted by Gideon
Unnecessarily rude? No, I think it was necessary enough. I'll be happy to explain the situation to you.You mentioned Sidious wankery. What Sidious wankery? So people are assuming that he would spank Bane; you haven't exactly provided the counterargument of ages to prove them wrong. It's been established through multiple sources that Palpatine was more powerful than Bane as of the prequel trilogy.
...
I want to pause to relish the sensation of Palpatine's unflinching superiority over Bane.
...
All right. Now, this fact is important because it establishes something important: even at his canonical "weakest," Palpatine has an advantage on Bane; he's stronger in the Force and his manipulations of it surpass Bane's by a frightening degree. Because this is a combat scenario and Bane has certain advantages of his own (i.e. orbalisk armor and maintained lightsaber prowess), power might not mean the deciding factor.
But you don't bother to offer such an argument. You come in and blindly assert that "Bane will tie or possibly win" or "he'll lose with extreme difficulty" against two different incarnations of a Force user who is more powerful than Bane in either form.
That is wankery. Though power is not necessarily a deciding factor, it is the exception, not the rule. Coming in and promoting one character, saying he'll win, without backing it up is wankery when the character is established to be weaker than the other character without question.
For example: Yoda vs. Ventress.
Now, it's annoying when people just spam the thread "lawl Yoda." But it's not like such a fight requires an intricate argument as to why Yoda will win, does it? He's established to be more powerful than Ventress, he's the favorite, the expected victor.
Now if someone waltzes in and shouts "Ventress," we expect him or her to explain themselves.
You lectured the rest of the group because they didn't come to the conclusion that you reached, and you don't even bother to explain how you came to that conclusion in the first place?
I see a glaring double standard. Which is what I called you out on. If you want to lay into people for just assuming Sidious will win, go ahead. But the "lulz Bane ties and possibly wins and then loses with extreme difficulty" doesn't fly either.
That........that was just beautiful.
You mentioned Sidious wankery. What Sidious wankery? So people are assuming that he would spank Bane; you haven't exactly provided the counterargument of ages to prove them wrong. It's been established through multiple sources that Palpatine was more powerful than Bane as of the prequel trilogy....
I want to pause to relish the sensation of Palpatine's unflinching superiority over Bane.
...
All right. Now, this fact is important because it establishes something important: even at his canonical "weakest," Palpatine has an advantage on Bane; he's stronger in the Force and his manipulations of it surpass Bane's by a frightening degree. Because this is a combat scenario and Bane has certain advantages of his own (i.e. orbalisk armor and maintained lightsaber prowess), power might not mean the deciding factor.
But you don't bother to offer such an argument. You come in and blindly assert that "Bane will tie or possibly win" or "he'll lose with extreme difficulty" against two different incarnations of a Force user who is more powerful than Bane in either form.
That is wankery. Though power is not necessarily a deciding factor, it is the exception, not the rule. Coming in and promoting one character, saying he'll win, without backing it up is wankery when the character is established to be weaker than the other character without question.
For example: Yoda vs. Ventress.
Now, it's annoying when people just spam the thread "lawl Yoda." But it's not like such a fight requires an intricate argument as to why Yoda will win, does it? He's established to be more powerful than Ventress, he's the favorite, the expected victor.
Now if someone waltzes in and shouts "Ventress," we expect him or her to explain themselves.
You lectured the rest of the group because they didn't come to the conclusion that you reached, and you don't even bother to explain how you came to that conclusion in the first place?
I see a glaring double standard. Which is what I called you out on. If you want to lay into people for just assuming Sidious will win, go ahead. But the "lulz Bane ties and possibly wins and then loses with extreme difficulty" doesn't fly either.
Yeah I agree, that would be bad, if I had done that. However, I actually made the basis for an argument including factors I think would be applicable on the very first page-
Originally posted by Nephthys
Power doesn't always equal a win, and it especially won't equal one here.I disagree, Bane has matched him in lightning and telekinetic powers. All Sidious has going for him is his mental powers, which Bane has in fact demonstrated a high level of resistance to.
I disagree again. It will take alot for Sidious to trump Bane in pure blade-to-blade combat, seeing as Bane arguably has more skill in that area and has displayed comparable speed. The Orbalisks also ad a considerable advantage to Bane.
Not only has Sidious never displayed the ability to utilize lightning mid-combat, but it requires a hell of a lot to overcome Banes orbalisks- an excess of a million volts, so its doubtful Sidious could do so simply or without effort.
It really should be specified what Bane and Sidious this is. A Revenge Sidious would probably tie with A Rule of two Bane, but a Dark Empire Sidious would possibly edge it.
As you can see, I didn't just waltz in here and scream 'Bane wins!', I originally posted reasons behind my opinion, which you obviously didn't notice.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I disagree, Bane has matched him in lightning and telekinetic powers. All Sidious has going for him is his mental powers, which Bane has in fact demonstrated a high level of resistance to.
I disagree again. It will take alot for Sidious to trump Bane in pure blade-to-blade combat, seeing as Bane arguably has more skill in that area and has displayed comparable speed. The Orbalisks also ad a considerable advantage to Bane.
Not only has Sidious never displayed the ability to utilize lightning mid-combat, but it requires a hell of a lot to overcome Banes orbalisks- an excess of a million volts, so its doubtful Sidious could do so simply or without effort.
It really should be specified what Bane and Sidious this is. A Revenge Sidious would probably tie with A Rule of two Bane, but a Dark Empire Sidious would possibly edge it.
Originally posted by Nephthys
As you can see, I didn't just waltz in here and scream 'Bane wins!', I originally posted reasons behind my opinion, which you obviously didn't notice.
You didn't bother to corroborate or prove any of it. Bane arguably has more skill than Sidious in lightsaber combat?
Prove it.
Bane can resist Sidious's mental powers?
Prove it.
It requires effort for Sidious to produce lightning over a million volts?
Prove it.
So, no. You simply said a long-winded, baseless version of "Bane wins lawl!"
Proof, Exodus. Proof.
Fine.
How has Bane matched him in lightning and TK powers? While Bane's lightning is powerful, it's not on the level of Sidious' lightning. TK powers? Someone must have forgotten to play TFU.
Both of them have shown the capacity to vaporise beings with their lightning. Sidious' has shown the power to force Mace Windu back, and Bane's has torn through Force shields like paper. They're relatively matched as far as lightning goes in my books.
And yes I have played TFU, and seen Sidious lift a small shuttle. So? Bane has blown beings apart with his, as well as that temple, they're reasonably matched there too.
This calls for proof. Simply stating it doesn't make it so. Sidious was able to defeat some of the Order's finest swordsman and then go toe to toe with Mace while not picking up a blade for 13 years. He was able to make a cutout of Darth Maul faster than Maul could follow. While Bane is good, there's no evidence that his blade skills are on the level of Sidious.
All of which he did by simply being faster than his opponents, and stronger in the force, which as POD shows allows people to muffle the pre-cognition of your opponents, and as Kas'im points out is the real factor in a saberfight. Bane has displayed force and speed cose or level with that of Sidious and Banes orbalisk armour should pick up the slack for discrepancies between them.
Sidious vs. Yoda. Sidious vs. Marek. He HAS displayed the ability to utilize lightning mid combat and has done it rather successfully.
I meant mid saber fight, Dooku-style. Both times you mentioned he clearly had lulls in which to unleash his power, but he's never done it when hes locked in a duel with someone, as the original poster said he would easily do. If sidious does unleash a lightning barrage at him outside of saber dueling, he could block or evade it adequately.
A million volts? What are you smoking exactly? We saw what Bane did to himself with his own lightning, just imagine what Sidious would do.
You didn't bother to corroborate or prove any of it. Bane arguably has more skill than Sidious in lightsaber combat?Prove it.
Bane can resist Sidious's mental powers?
Prove it.
It requires effort for Sidious to produce lightning over a million volts?
Prove it.
So, no. You simply said a long-winded, baseless version of "Bane wins lawl!"
Proof, Exodus. Proof.
Well now we simply have a difference of opinion. I felt like I had done enough to warrant an opinion (as much as anyone had) and so I gave it, you feel I didn't, so you disagree. I already explained, I really didn't want to get into an argument on this subject. But whatever, judge me all you want. If you think I'm a terrible person for it, thats your bussiness.