Kessler vs Pikachu

Started by SpadeKing4 pages

well there is no proof he can or can't do it again.

back to the fight...

Originally posted by SpadeKing
well there is no proof he can or can't do it again.

back to the fight...

There's no reason why he shouldn't be able to, although he won't, so that's that. For all we know, he can only travel back in time and not forth.
Further back. Back. Back. Back. Oooh, dinosaurs!

But seriously, he wins.

I'm pretty sure Pikachu can do better than Cole against Kessler.

especially consider he can dig under ground to avoid attacks, unless kessler's punch can affect underground too.

Certainly. Cole didn't have much a say against Kessler. He shouldn't even have won 😛 But yes, Pikachu would do better than Cole (Although Cole won, but that's beside the point).

Originally posted by SpadeKing
I'm pretty sure Pikachu can do better than Cole against Kessler.

especially consider he can dig under ground to avoid attacks, unless kessler's punch can affect underground too.

Pikachu can't dig underground.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Pikachu can't dig underground.

It can learn as a TM.

Kessler definitely has more of a chance in this fight than Cole, but Pikachu still wins.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Kessler definitely has more of a chance in this fight than Cole, but Pikachu still wins.

Why is that?

I don't think either Cole or Kessler can generate electricity as powerful as Pikachu. And we know they can be hurt by electricity, while we've seen Pikachu absorb actual lightning strikes.

Plus I don't think either of them could hit Pikachu, though Kessler has a much better chance to hit Pikachu than Cole.

Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]It can learn as a TM. [/B]

Yeah I know that, but I thought we only use natural moves and not something you have to force it to learn because then that would be a special condition pokemon. We shouldn't use TM/HM only moves.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I don't think either Cole or Kessler can generate electricity as powerful as Pikachu. And we know they can be hurt by electricity, while we've seen Pikachu absorb actual lightning strikes.

Plus I don't think either of them could hit Pikachu, though Kessler has a much better chance to hit Pikachu than Cole.

Despite my disagreement, Kessler doesn't need his electricity. Pikachu isn't very endurant and Kessler can still use his fists and feet. He even par with Cole in strength.

We don't have any strength feats for Cole, as far as we know he could only have stronger punches because he electrifies his fists.

We can assume that Pikachu is very durable because he has to take hits from things like Hitmonchan, Machamp, Snorlax, Dragonite, and many more. Things in Pokemon are going to be strong, fast, and durable.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
We don't have any strength feats for Cole, as far as we know he could only have stronger punches because he electrifies his fists.

We can assume that Pikachu is very durable because he has to take hits from things like Hitmonchan, Machamp, Snorlax, Dragonite, and many more. Things in Pokemon are going to be strong, fast, and durable.

That's faulty. Pokémon aren't born to match and balance eachother. Just because Pikachu lives in the same world as Machamp for example, doesn't mean it can tank what Machamp can dish out.
The anime has proven Pikachu to be fairly frail in terms of durability, knocked out by Pokemon far weaker than Machamp.

We've also seen Pikachu ram heads with things that should be far stronger and far more durable than him. I dunno if I could find a video but I think he rammed heads with a Steelix. Don't quote me. 😬

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
We've also seen Pikachu ram heads with things that should be far stronger and far more durable than him. I dunno if I could find a video but I think he rammed heads with a Steelix. Don't quote me. 😬

Pikachu tackle in the anime is treated as an ability and should be viewed as such. Pikachu has also ended up dazed because he has tackled particular targets. Also according to TCG, Pikachi indeed can tackle as an ability.

I don't see why that would matter. Is Pikachu not allowed to use his abilities?

Heck, unless the abilities he uses directly change his durability and speed, we should assume Pikachu is always that durable or fast.

Whether they work like that or not I don't think would matter. That would let Pikachu Quick Attack around Kessler's attacks instead of running.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I don't see why that would matter. Is Pikachu not allowed to use his abilities?

Heck, unless the abilities he uses directly change his durability and speed, we should assume Pikachu is always that durable or fast.

Whether they work like that or not I don't think would matter. That would let Pikachu Quick Attack around Kessler's attacks instead of running.

You missed my point. A Pokemon ability alter attributes. Tackle, Head Butt, Body Slam and moves alike. Offensive increasements, just like how there are defensive.

There's nothing saying Kessler can't harm Pikachu with physical injury, given how a Raticate has.

Unless Pikachu counters those moves with another move, he takes the whole force of it at his normal durability, proving he is in fact very very durable.

Did Raticate bite Pikachu? Because the Pokemon Gold Pokedex says Raticate can topple buildings with its teeth by gnawing at the base.

Pokemon are very powerful, I still think the simple fact of being a Pokemon makes you incredibly powerful and durable. Maybe some Pokemon aren't very durable, but Pikachu is not one of them.

Harming Pikachu is something Kessler could probably do, but harm him enough to win I doubt.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Unless Pikachu counters those moves with another move, he takes the whole force of it at his normal durability, proving he is in fact very very durable.

Did Raticate bite Pikachu? Because the Pokemon Gold Pokedex says Raticate can topple buildings with its teeth by gnawing at the base.

Pokemon are very powerful, I still think the simple fact of being a Pokemon makes you incredibly powerful and durable. Maybe some Pokemon aren't very durable, but Pikachu is not one of them.

Harming Pikachu is something Kessler could probably do, but harm him enough to win I doubt.

It was a tackle.

You do realise who you're talking to when you're saying Pokémon are very powerful, right? mmm

I'm well aware that Pokémon are durable, and that there are Pokémon more frail than Pikachu, but it is within Kessler's capability to harm Pikachu, physically and with electricity.

Kessler is definitely capable of some sweet stuff with his powers, we've even seen him use electricity to grab a person and throw them. As well some other cool stuff. But we haven't seen anything Kessler can do that Pikachu can't dodge, or take.