Originally posted by bayhunter12
that is true but you must admit revan is more powerful than dooku and could defeat him.
No he isn't. We have no feats we don't know how poerful he is all we have is Kriea's word which = poop. Nothing she says aside from right before she dies can be taken as fact.
NONE of the jedi he killed have proven themselves to be as good with a blade as Dooku. Infact none of them including Revan himself have ANY feats whatsoever with a blade especially in comparison to the 3rd or 4th BEST lightsaber combatant during the Golden era of the jedi.
Bayhunter all you are doing is telling us what YOU THINK nothing you say is substantial.
Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
Prove that Revan can hold his own against sidious. You just saying that he can holds NO merit.what has revan done with a light saber that can even compare to what sidious did in ROTS?
Prove that he can't. You are talking as if you have evidence that Revan could not.
Kotor3Prove there isn't a invisible, intangible unicorn sitting on your head.
Prove that he can't. You are talking as if you have evidence that Revan could not.
Welcome to logic. You make a claim, you back it up. You don't tell others to explain why it isn't valid. So we repeat:
poppunker
Prove that Revan can hold his own against sidious. You just saying that he can holds NO merit.what has revan done with a light saber that can even compare to what sidious did in ROTS?
Originally posted by Eminence
Prove there isn't a invisible, intangible unicorn sitting on your head.Welcome to logic. You make a claim, you back it up. You don't tell others to explain why it isn't valid. So we repeat:
Not surprise you did not understand my statement.
Since we do not know enough about Revan's personal combat feats, statements about what he can and cannot do should not be made. If they are they should be taken in the context of an opinion or speculation not fact.
Neither one can prove that Revan can or cannot stand up to ROTS Sidious and hold his own one on one. So there is nothing to prove. There is only opinion and speculation until more evidence comes out.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Prove that he can't. You are talking as if you have evidence that Revan could not.
First off you still have yet to show any CANON evidence as to how good revan is with a blade.
second there so NO canon evedince for just how powerful Revan was.
Every conclusion that you are I or anyone can make is all through our own inferences. Which isn't substantial evidence in debates.
by Incanus
Uhhh, Revan was canonically a good swordsmen, i think against he Sidious he could last as long as Mce, but still lose. Maybe make the fight longer. Sidious would NOT wtf pwn him.
Ya Revan I think was the BEST swordsman in his era BUT in comparison to the 2nd or 3rd BEST swordsman in the golden age of the jedi well Revan can't even compare because we don't know just how good he was canonically.
He beat a star forge imbued malak alone BUT it ISN'T canon that he used a lightsaber. He could have used grenades or a gun and the force.
You guys Revan is my favorite SW char ( I don't care what anyone else says) BUT you can't let your bias and personal inferences cloud your judgment.
now show me with CANON evidence that Revan is anywhere NEAR sidious's or Dooku's level in lightsaber combat. Keep in mind there are only 2 people better than they are in the PT that's Yoda and mace.(although mace vs sidious sabers is debatable).
Originally posted by Kotor3
Not surprise you did not understand my statement.
Since we do not know enough about Revan's personal combat feats, statements about what he can and cannot do should not be made. If they are they should be taken in the context of an opinion or speculation not fact.Neither one can prove that Revan can or cannot stand up to ROTS Sidious and hold his own one on one. So there is nothing to prove. There is only opinion and speculation until more evidence comes out.
Exactly there is NO substantial info on Revan BUT to think he can go head to head for a while against THE 2 most powerful being in the SW cosmos is just plain assinine.
Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
First off you still have yet to show any CANON evidence as to how good revan is with a blade.second there so NO canon evedince for just how powerful Revan was.
Every conclusion that you are I or anyone can make is all through our own inferences. Which isn't substantial evidence in debates.
Ya Revan I think was the BEST swordsman in his era BUT in comparison to the 2nd or 3rd BEST swordsman in the golden age of the jedi well Revan can't even compare because we don't know just how good he was canonically.
He beat a star forge imbued malak alone BUT it ISN'T canon that he used a lightsaber. He could have used grenades or a gun and the force.
You guys Revan is my favorite SW char ( I don't care what anyone else says) BUT you can't let your bias and personal inferences cloud your judgment.
now show me with CANON evidence that Revan is anywhere NEAR sidious's or Dooku's level in lightsaber combat. Keep in mind there are only 2 people better than they are in the PT that's Yoda and mace.(although mace vs sidious sabers is debatable).
Exactly there is NO substantial info on Revan BUT to think he can go head to head for a while against THE 2 most powerful being in the SW cosmos is just plain assinine.
I agree with your statement. It make much more sense then the ones you made earlier. If you were saying the same thing then I apologize.
Heres a little Canon stuff on Revan
Revan was known as a highly skilled warrior, Having defeated some of the greatest and most accomplished fighters of his time during the Mandalorian Wars and the subsequent Jedi Civil War, including the former Echani general and senator Yusanis, Mandalore the Ultimate, and Darth Malak, who was counted among the skilled swordsmen of the era.[5]
When Bastila Shan and three other Jedi attempted to capture Darth Revan aboard his flagship, he performed a Form VII ready stance, making him a possible Juyo practitioner.[5]
While he was stuck on Taris, he participated in the dueling ring to earn some credits. Under the alias of "The Mysterious Stranger", Revan defeated the top five duelists, Deadeye Duncan, Gerlon Two-Fingers, Marl, Ice, and Twitch, to become the champion. His dueling sparked the interest of the former Mandalorian Bendak Starkiller, who only fought in death matches, but it is unknown if these two met in the ring. Perhaps one of Revan's more impressive feats was his single-handed slaying of a pair of terentatek in the depths of the ancient Sith Lord Naga Sadow's tomb on Korriban
Revan was an incredibly talented and diligent student of the Force— the most gifted of his time—and eventually, by all accounts, became a very powerful Force practitioner. As one of the few individuals in galactic history to reach the heights of Sith power and return to the Jedi, he proved himself highly skilled in the use of both the light and dark sides of the Force. As a Sith Lord, Revan used a variety of Force powers. He could use the Force to create a whirlwind of Force energy that would encircle his opponent. He also used the Force to grip and choke his enemies, and was proficient in the use of Force lightning, and was able to use the dark side of the Force to tap into his innermost fears, pain and hate, and convert them into intense anger, channeling it to increase his speed, strength, and ferocity. Revan also used powers that were able to afflict his opponents, and was capable of using the Mind trick.[2] He also used the Jedi healing technique.[9] Though the full extent of Revan's abilities is unknown, before his and Revan's final duel, Darth Malak stated that Revan was stronger in the Force than he ever was as the Dark Lord of the Sith.[5] Five years later, Revan's first Jedi Master Kreia would tell the Jedi Exile that staring at Revan was like staring into the heart of the Force.
source:Wookieepedia. Not exactly just how good or powerful he was, it could still help. Sidious needs no more help, as you have already got him down.
Originally posted by Incanus
While he was stuck on Taris, he participated in the dueling ring to earn some credits. Under the alias of "The Mysterious Stranger", Revan defeated the top five duelists, Deadeye Duncan, Gerlon Two-Fingers, Marl, Ice, and Twitch, to become the champion. His dueling sparked the interest of the former Mandalorian Bendak Starkiller, who only fought in death matches, but it is unknown if these two met in the ring. Perhaps one of Revan's more impressive feats was his single-handed slaying of a pair of terentatek in the depths of the ancient Sith Lord Naga Sadow's tomb on Korriban
Revan was an incredibly talented and diligent student of the Force— the most gifted of his time—and eventually, by all accounts, became a very powerful Force practitioner. As one of the few individuals in galactic to reach the heights of Sith power and return to the Jedi, he proved himself highly skilled in the use of both the light and dark sides of the Force. As a Sith Lord, Revan used a variety of Force powers. He could use the Force to create a whirlwind of Force energy that would encircle his opponent. He also used the Force to grip and choke his enemies, and was proficient in the use of Force lightning, and was able to use the dark side of the Force to tap into his innermost fears, pain and hate, and convert them into intense anger, channeling it to increase his speed, strength, and ferocity. Revan also used powers that were able to afflict his opponents, and was capable of using the Mind trick.[2] He also used the Jedi healing technique.[9] Though the full extent of Revan's abilities is unknown, before his and Revan's final duel, Darth Malak stated that Revan was stronger in the Force than he ever was as the Dark Lord of the Sith.[5] Five years later, Revan's first Jedi Master Kreia would tell the Jedi Exile that staring at Revan was like staring into the heart of the Force.
source:Wookieepedia. Not exactly just how good or powerful he was, it could still help. Sidious needs no more help, as you have already got him down.
NONE of that is canon at all.
HOW Revan killed anyone in the dueling ring CAN'T be proven
Revan never killed ternteteks BY HIMSELF.
NOTHING Kriea says about Revan can be taken as canon fact about how strong Revan is.
As to the force powers and how he 'channels everything into anger" um EVERY sith does that.
When Bastila Shan and three other Jedi attempted to capture Darth Revan aboard his flagship, he performed a Form VII ready stance, making him a possible Juyo practitioner.
possible isn't canon it's speculation.
I know everything about Revan Incanus and probably more than you since I can name like 3 or 4 things off the top of my head that could be argued in your favor. But we know just about nothing about him and everything we do know is inferred like with Marka Ragnos..
by Kotor3
I agree with your statement. It make much more sense then the ones you made earlier. If you were saying the same thing then I apologize.
Ya that was what I was trying to say earlier.
Uhh, yes he DID kill tereantateks by himself. I fyou disagree, go play KOTOR and go to Korriban, when you do the final test you have to kill 2 of them. Anyone who has beat that game could verify that. And no the dueling ring cant be proven because he had no command of the force at the time. Why cant anything Kreia says about Revan be taken seriously? It had even been said at the end to me.
Originally posted by IncanusYou're right in that Revan did canonically face those two terentateks... but who said he faced him in combat. More than once I simply used Stealth to sneak by them.
Uhh, yes he DID kill tereantateks by himself. I fyou disagree, go play KOTOR and go to Korriban, when you do the final test you have to kill 2 of them. Anyone who has beat that game could verify that. And no the dueling ring cant be proven because he had no command of the force at the time. Why cant anything Kreia says about Revan be taken seriously? It had even been said at the end to me.
And the only thing that Kreia ever said that can be taken as truth is her dialogue at the end of a Light Sided game. And most of that's rubbish in terms of a combat scenario. She was the Lord of Betrayal for a reason, and not just because she herself was betrayed.
You need to face the fact that there is not ONE conclusive power or attribute that Revan's character can claim as canon. Only deeds, no specifics.