Black Adam vs Superman

Originally posted by carver9
It depends on how much he puts into his punch along with the magic that he's adding WITH that punch.

General Zod punched supes and broke his jaw, Captain marvel strength = or > Zod, if zod had a magical charge punch added with that jaw breaking punch, I dont know what would happen.

Honestly, I dont think anyone could one shot supes but captain marvel already did it twice so its kind of hard to argue against that.

zod didn't just punch superman, he punched him while flying at god knows what speed. that has more impact than any single punch.

when did he one shot him? seriously?

also, that eclipso thing was false. nowhere in superman 216 does it say it would take one punch to kill him, even if he was being peppered with magic lightning.

Originally posted by The Pict
Weak debater? You just said that you don't go by on panel evidence. Weak right there, one of the reasons no one takes you seriously.

I never said on panel evidence, I said go by FEATS for EVERYTHING like you do. If we go by feats all the time, surfer, supes, and thor could beat every high herald and mid herald as a team. Hell, if we go by feats, thor could beat stardust, terrax, and firelord by himself since dont they even come CLOSE to having the feats that he has.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said on panel evidence, I said go by FEATS for EVERYTHING like you do. If we go by feats all the time, surfer, supes, and thor could beat every high herald and mid herald as a team. Hell, if we go by feats, thor could beat stardust, terrax, and firelord by himself since dont even come CLOSE to having the feats that he has.

feats are what allow us to debate. you have to use them, or else you're not arguing for anything remotely resembling the character.

Originally posted by -Pr-
feats are what allow us to debate. you have to use them, or else you're not arguing for anything remotely resembling the character.

I understand that but sometimes you also have to use common sense when you KNOW for a fact that a character is well within another characters league of beating him/her.

Character (A) might not have as many feats as character (B) but that doesnt mean that (B) cant beat (A).

Originally posted by -Pr-
zod didn't just punch superman, he punched him while flying at god knows what speed. that has more impact than any single punch.

when did he one shot him? seriously?

also, that eclipso thing was false. nowhere in superman 216 does it say it would take one punch to kill him, even if he was being peppered with magic lightning.

So captain marvel cant blitz.

I agree, eclipso never said how many punches but they way she implied it made it seem like a single strike to me but hey, I could be wrong, I'll give you that one.

BA knocked a pretty far by a steel girder which didn't even dent. Poor durability showing for WW3 BA 😖hifty:

Originally posted by carver9
I never said on panel evidence, I said go by FEATS for EVERYTHING like you do. If we go by feats all the time, surfer, supes, and thor could beat every high herald and mid herald as a team. Hell, if we go by feats, thor could beat stardust, terrax, and firelord by himself since dont they even come CLOSE to having the feats that he has.

We have to go by feats. That's part of the on panel evidence provided by the comics that we base our arguments on. Otherwise we're just making things up.

Originally posted by carver9
So captain marvel cant blitz.

I agree, eclipso never said how many punches but they way she implied it made it seem like a single strike to me but hey, I could be wrong, I'll give you that one.

i never said he couldn't. you just made it sound like it was a normal average punch.

they implied he could kill him because captain marvel had him in a headlock and could have probably snapped his neck.

Originally posted by carver9
I understand that but sometimes you also have to use common sense when you KNOW for a fact that a character is well within another characters league of beating him/her.

Character (A) might not have as many feats as character (B) but that doesnt mean that (B) cant beat (A).

true, but you can't get carried away either.

Originally posted by The Pict

BA knocked a pretty far by a steel girder which didn't even dent. Poor durability showing for WW3 BA 😖hifty:

We have to go by feats. That's part of the on panel evidence provided by the comics that we base our arguments on. Otherwise we're just making things up.

So with that said, since firelord possess more and better feats than sentry hes>sentry.

Originally posted by carver9
I understand that but sometimes you also have to use common sense when you KNOW for a fact that a character is well within another characters league of beating him/her.

Common sense doesn't make a difference. Flash shouldn't be tagged half the time he is, common sense tells us that due to his powerset. Yet it still happens. We go by what is in the comics, nothing else.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i never said he couldn't. you just made it sound like it was a normal average punch.

they implied he could kill him because captain marvel had him in a headlock and could have probably snapped his neck.

true, but you can't get carried away either.

Naah, I dont think an average punch could but hey, what is captain marvels none average punch since he does hold back 100% of the time.

Originally posted by The Pict
Common sense doesn't make a difference. Flash shouldn't be tagged half the time he is, common sense tells us that due to his powerset. Yet it still happens. We go by what is in the comics, nothing else.

Or the fact that flash holds back in fights and basically think in his head that he doesnt need to go all out (which half of the time he doesnt).

Feats can only take you so far, especially if its against a character that is just more powerful (not saying that black adam is more powerful than supes).

Originally posted by carver9
Naah, I dont think an average punch could but hey, what is captain marvels none average punch since he does hold back 100% of the time.

you could say the same about superman too.

Originally posted by carver9
Or the fact that flash holds back in fights and basically think in his head that he doesnt need to go all out (which half of the time he doesnt).

Feats can only take you so far, especially if its against a character that is just more powerful (not saying that black adam is more powerful than supes).

you are right to an extent, but you still need to back up arguments with feats.

Originally posted by carver9
So with that said, since firelord possess more and better feats than sentry hes>sentry.

Nothing to do with what I said. I never mentioned anyone being over someone else.

Stop pressing this argument Carver, you won't win it. If you don't like going by feats and evidence because it means your favourite characters lose in a fight then why come here? We all go by what's in the comic. That's the way it's done. Otherwise we're saying things that are false.

Seriously why are you arguing this? You use evidence all the time, but here it suits you to ignore it because Superman's feats vastly outweigh Black Adam's, so you question on panel evidence as irrelevant and opt for debating on the merits of "common sense"

Common sense can only be backed up by feats. Again going all out or no, Flash gets tagged alot. Even against opponents he has previously fought Common sense suggests that he will move faster, won't get tagged again. But guess what happens?

Originally posted by -Pr-
you could say the same about superman too.

you are right to an extent, but you still need to back up arguments with feats.

I agree and thats where the problem comes, you have supes admitting that he and cap are equals but cap possess a edge in magic. THEN you have captain marvel giving supes a hell of a fight but on the other end supes equal (captain marvel) is getting CRUSHED by black adam.

Its kind of hard to back up arguments against a character that star in 10 different comics a month. 😕

Originally posted by carver9
I agree and thats where the problem comes, you have supes admitting that he and cap are equals but cap possess a edge in magic. THEN you have captain marvel giving supes a hell of a fight but on the other end supes equal (captain marvel) is getting CRUSHED by black adam.

cap and adam have always been stated as being as equal as cap and superman have. one showing doesn't eclipse dozens of others.

Its kind of hard to back up arguments against a character that star in 10 different comics a month. 😕

no it's not, actually. it's about quality, not quantity.

Originally posted by The Pict
Nothing to do with what I said. I never mentioned anyone being over someone else.

Stop pressing this argument Carver, you won't win it. If you don't like going by feats and evidence because it means your favourite characters lose in a fight then why come here? We all go by what's in the comic. That's the way it's done. Otherwise we're saying things that are false.

Seriously why are you arguing this? You use evidence all the time, but here it suits you to ignore it because Superman's feats vastly outweigh Black Adam's, so you question on panel evidence as irrelevant and opt for debating on the merits of "common sense"

Common sense can only be backed up by feats. Again going all out or no, Flash gets tagged alot. Even against opponents he has previously fought Common sense suggests that he will move faster, won't get tagged again. But guess what happens?

I dont like adam, what are you talking about? I just didnt agree with your previous comment on feats = win because if we go by feats I can easily bring up the comparison that was made between supes and adam.

Honestly, I dont know who'll win this because supes would have to take the gloves off to beat adam BUT adam have a huge advantage in this fight that would get past supes durability.

Now I dont know the difference between ww3 black adam and current black adam but if adams durability is the same as ww3 adams durability then he could possibly lose due to heat vision since martian manhunter almost melted his face off.

Like I said before, I'm undecided.

Originally posted by -Pr-
cap and adam have always been stated as being as equal as cap and superman have. one showing doesn't eclipse dozens of others.

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no it's not, actually. it's about quality, not quantity.

I agree with everything that you said, dont have anything to say towards this post.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree and thats where the problem comes, you have supes admitting that he and cap are equals but cap possess a edge in magic. THEN you have captain marvel giving supes a hell of a fight but on the other end supes equal (captain marvel) is getting CRUSHED by black adam.

Its kind of hard to back up arguments against a character that star in 10 different comics a month. 😕

Superman says a lot of "stuff" don't hold him to it. Superman has destroyed opponents that have giving him close battles/or have defeated him before. His spike in his level can jump from stalemating BA to downright destroying him. Russian Zod was a perfect example of this.

And also feats are perfectly valid things to used to determine who would wins a Vs. match. Does having better high end feats than their opponents mean they always win? No that where the lower end feats comes in to balance in.

Overall Superman is just better than BA , CM anyone that has a similar powerset.

Originally posted by kgkg
Having more comics is not always a better thing for Vs. matches sure we will see more high end feats but also low end feats <which you love to use anyway especially against Superman>.

Superman says a lot of "stuff" don't hold him to it. Superman has destroyed opponents that have giving him close battles/or have defeated him before. His spike in his level can jump from stalemating BA to downright destroying him. Russian Zod was a perfect example of this.

And also feats are perfectly valid things to used to determine who would wins a Vs. match. Does having better high end feats than their opponents mean they always win? No that where the lower end feats comes in to balance in.

Overall Superman is just better than BA , CM anyone that has a similar powerset.

Originally posted by kgkg
Having more comics is not always a better thing for Vs. matches sure we will see more high end feats but also low end feats <which you love to use anyway especially against Superman>.

Superman says a lot of "stuff" don't hold him to it. Superman has destroyed opponents that have giving him close battles/or have defeated him before. His spike in his level can jump from stalemating BA to downright destroying him. Russian Zod was a perfect example of this.

And also feats are perfectly valid things to used to determine who would wins a Vs. match. Does having better high end feats than their opponents mean they always win? No that where the lower end feats comes in to balance in.

Overall Superman is just better than BA , CM anyone that has a similar powerset.

I'm tired of people saying that I dont like supes because I do but I'm going
to leave that alone because people mind is made up about that. I never
once brought up a low showing in this thread, I told you things that was
mentioned and done in comics.

If you truly think that supes is above black adam and captain marvel then its
pointless to debate against you, Its hard to even say that supes is far
above wonder woman since she have on panel showings sparring against him,
doing better against powerful foes that they both fought, or just basically
seeing on panel statements of supes and wonder woman being equals.

If we always go by feats, half of the battles that is brought up would
be pointless. Example; surfer, Surfer has fought unilord and defeated it,
fought and almost statelmated aegis, along side galactus, defeated
mephisto in his own realm, destroyed a planet with just a thought (during
the time he fought ravenous), absorbed an entire sun, etc...
With all of this said, do you think that firestorm would give him a fight
since he doesnt possess feats CLOSE to what surfer has done?

I agree, feats is a good thing to use, I'm not arguing against that, I'm arguing
against the fact that people say that almost in every battle when its
obvious that the opponent could pull some wins, hell maybe even a majority.

Just forget that I brought it up because again, I'm undecided on the battle
but I do know one thing, even if supes decide not to hold back, how
powerful and tacticle black adam is, he could still pull some wins; a majority,
I dont know.