Elves get slaughtered
I am afraid the discussion is too broad, since it's Men versus Elves and presumably all elves versus all men we have to remember Tolkien's concept for Middle Earth... a fictional history of our own planet. Tolkien once stated that we would be in the 6th or 7th age... so that means the forces of Man would include modern militaries. So imagine Feanor, Glorfindel and the great Elves being butchered like sheep by say the 1st cavalry division.
Re: Elves get slaughtered
Originally posted by rekke41
I am afraid the discussion is too broad, since it's Men versus Elves and presumably all elves versus all men we have to remember Tolkien's concept for Middle Earth... a fictional history of our own planet. Tolkien once stated that we would be in the 6th or 7th age... so that means the forces of Man would include modern militaries. So imagine Feanor, Glorfindel and the great Elves being butchered like sheep by say the 1st cavalry division.
Fingolfin would solo the 1st Cavalry Division.
In a period of 3 or 4 ages the elves would have a great advantage since they are the firstborn and multiplied before.
Noldor and Teleri are physically stronger than regular men being only equaled by the Numenoreans, the Wood elves maybe weaker than men but they have all the other blessings of Elves in comparison to men:
Much much much better sight
Better senses
Better coordination
ambidextrous
More durable
Heal faster
Faster
Taller
Don't need to sleep
Tireless
Freaking powerful magic
Immortality
Elven great leaders/warriors: Finwe, Feanor, Fingolfin, Turgon, Mahedros, Fingon, Finarfin, Finrod Felagund, Maglor, Galadriel, Erlond, Lúthien, Thingol, Beleg, Mablung, Legolas, Thranduil, Celeborn, Ecthelion, Glorfindel, Celebrimbor, Elohir, Elladan, Gil-galad, Círdan, Angrod, Argon, Ingwe, Dior.
Men great leaders/warriors: Elendil, Isildur, Aragorn, Tuor, Huor, Hurin, Turin, Barahir, Beren, Hador, Boromir, Faramir, Bard, Ar-Phazarôn, Imrahil, Earnur, Elros, Eomer, Théoden.
By the Third Age humans outnumbered elves by an obscene ratio. The reason is that while elves live longer and are more resistant to disease they also reproduce at a much lower rate. Most elves IIRC have only one or two children on average in their entire lifespan, which is why their numbers actually started to dwindle as time went on--many were killed in wars but not enough were born to replenish the numbers, and this isn't counting the elves who left Middle Earth on ships.
I think in an all out war there's no question that the elves would be destroyed by men, albeit it would be a costly war for men with lots of long, drawn out sieges.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
By the Third Age humans outnumbered elves by an obscene ratio. The reason is that while elves live longer and are more resistant to disease they also reproduce at a much lower rate. Most elves IIRC have only one or two children on average in their entire lifespan, which is why their numbers actually started to dwindle as time went on--many were killed in wars but not enough were born to replenish the numbers, and this isn't counting the elves who left Middle Earth on ships.I think in an all out war there's no question that the elves would be destroyed by men, albeit it would be a costly war for men with lots of long, drawn out sieges.
Destroyed!!!!????
Originally posted by themadsurfer
Destroyed!!!!????
I'm not commenting on the First Age when they had all their heavy guys because I don't know a lot about that era.
*Granted, men and dwarves would have probably been crushed as well had they not stood together with the elves, but it was fairly obvious in LOTR that men were bearing the brunt of the battle while elves were either protecting their own strongholds or sending token forces to assist the men. How many elves did Lorien end up sending to Helm's Deep? Was it even a hundred? I don't think they were being lazy or parsimonious, I believe that was literally all they could afford to spare at that point.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
*Granted, men and dwarves would have probably been crushed as well had they not stood together with the elves, but it was fairly obvious in LOTR that men were bearing the brunt of the battle while elves were either protecting their own strongholds or sending token forces to assist the men. How many elves did Lorien end up sending to Helm's Deep? Was it even a hundred? I don't think they were being lazy or parsimonious, I believe that was literally all they could afford to spare at that point.
The Elves going to Helms Deep was only in the films. Sauron had launched an all out assault on pretty much everyone who was east of the Misty Mountains in the books. Lorien wouldn't have been able to spare anyone.
Re: Re: Elves get slaughtered
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Fingolfin would solo the 1st Cavalry Division.
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Originally posted by Omega Vision
By the Third Age humans outnumbered elves by an obscene ratio.
Which is a lazy attempt by Tolkien to compensate for his superior-in-every-way mary sues; if anything, immortal elves that never age past their physical prime should have to deal with overpopulation if nothing else.
Well, Legolas and Aragorn would be there then, would Aragorn have Anduril? That would be a major factor in it, as they would be sacred of it, and he could hurt them with a stare............ read about Narsil scaring alot of people somewhere in the trilogy, Silamrillion, or Unfinished Tales, or the back of those books.