Bane and Caedus VS Dooku and Galen Marek

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Worror didn't block his lightning. He put up a force shield which Bane didn't expect. Try again. Dooku's lightning has NEVER been impressive while Bane's lightning turns beings into ash. stop arguing facts.

And Dooku's TK abilities are more impressive than Bane's? Tossing around 1 jedi while fighting another is impressive. You know what's more impressive? Destroying the Rakatan Temple.

Originally posted by ares834
I'm not saying Bane's lightning is worse. Simply that it has been blocked by lesser beings than Dooku's.

It is more impressive, but is far less useful in a fight. Unless he has a temple to crush on Dooku his super powered push isn't exactly the most useful thing as it has been blocked by far lesser beings. Dooku on the other hand has tossed top tier fighters like rag dolls. Oh and DOoku has also managed to cause a cave to collapse.

Actually no. We're discussing their respective TK abilities. Bane has shown TK abilities beyond anything Dooku has shown. Try again.

Not to leap into this slugfest, but there really is no use discussing this. You can't objectively prove anything anymore.

No one can.

This reminds me of when we were discussing objective morality a while back.

Woe is me.

Advent, do me a favor. Please PM me with the exact name and dosage of the hard drugs you are taking, so I can follow the white rabbit into the illusion that you call reality.

Woe is me.

I know, we should stop before Rex starts priming his Ban-bazooka. Questioning the world is not welcome here.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Except it WASNT blocked for the 2nd and final time. Worror put up a brief force shield which caught Bane by surprise. That is NOT the same thing as blocking force lightning. There's no indication Dooku has this ability, nor that he can block lightning on that level.

Block-
1. an obstacle, obstruction, or hindrance: His stubbornness is a block to all my efforts.
2. a hindering of an opponent's actions.

Was Bane's lightning hindered by Worror? Yes it was. Therefore it was blocked. Sure it was not caught like Dooku's was by Yoda but it was "blocked". Dooku has shown to bloack lightning with the force Bane has never shown anything similar.

Actually no. We're discussing their respective TK abilities. Bane has shown TK abilities beyond anything Dooku has shown. Try again.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I know, we should stop before Rex starts priming his Ban-bazooka. Questioning the world is not welcome here.

I disagree with REX on more than a couple of things, particularly when it comes to moderating.

That said, he's one of the nicest guys evar and, when he primes the Ban-bazooka, he does give out fair warning.

Originally posted by ares834
It was blocked.

Block-
1. an obstacle, obstruction, or hindrance: His stubbornness is a block to all my efforts.
2. a hindering of an opponent's actions.

Was Bane's lightning hindered by Worror? Yes it was. Therefore it was blocked. Sure it was not caught like Dooku's was by Yoda but it was "blocked". Dooku has shown to bloack lightning with the force Bane has never shown anything similar.

I never siad Dooku's power in TK was greater than Bane's. I said he has sown more "skill with Telekenisis against opponents" which he has. Still Dooku brought down the roof of a cave and that is as impressive as bringing down the roof of a temple.

Bringing down the roof of a cave is as impressive as bringing down a 30 meter temple? Wow..

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Bringing down the roof of a cave is as impressive as bringing down a 30 meter temple? Wow..

Not to be a prick, but I feel compelled to bring this up.

EU materials are simply windows into the world of the EU itself. Some windows are a bit "foggier" than others; with only nuggets of truth within them.

So it's quite possible that the cave Dooku collapsed was actually a palace spanning hundreds of meters in height and length.

Rather makes this discussion quite pointless.

Originally posted by Gideon
Not to be a prick, but I feel compelled to bring this up.

EU materials are simply windows into the world of the EU itself. Some windows are a bit "foggier" than others; with only nuggets of truth within them.

So it's quite possible that the cave Dooku collapsed was actually a palace spanning hundreds of meters in height and length.

Rather makes this discussion quite pointless.

In that case, there's no point for me to come to this forum any longer. I shall bid you all farewell.

Advent, do me a favor. Please PM me with the exact name and dosage of the hard drugs you are taking, so I can follow the white rabbit into the illusion that you call reality.

Actually I can see the point the gals are making. It is faulty to use quotes entirely for your argument. It would be like me claim Sidious would own Windu or Bane purely becuase he 'the most powerful sith', without taking into account the variables or Shatterpoint, Vapaad or the Orbalisks. More details need to be given. Also, quotes don't really mean anything when not backed up by feats. Marko Ragnos was quoted to be 'the most powerful of the most powerful', but can't back it up with feats, so it would be faulty to claim he would intrinsically beat Ludo Kreesh or Naga Sadow, two who actually have said feats beyond getting tooled by Jaden Korr.

There is also the argument for circumstances, which should be common sense. Darth Caedus would tool Mara Jade on most days, but becuase of circumstances, she almost handed him his ass. If he didn't have that dart, he would have lost. Likewise, people can claim that Kenobi is above Grievous becuase he did in fact kill him, but Kenobi only won by a fluke, by using that blaster on the unprotected chest of Grievous. Without the blaster, he would have been crushed. That being said that doesn't mean the whole premise of a Versus Forum is destroyed, as we can argue still that the people could win without any of these circumstances, the majority of the time, in a neutral setting unless otherwise stated, in which that circumstance should be considered, which I applaud Ms Marvel doing in the Yoda v Caedus thread. Going back to Mara vs Jacen, it could be argued that Jacen would win in neutral territory, but if this is changed to the caves where they did fight, it would obviously mean that Mara could capitalise on this setting with her superior guile.

This is just my impression. I could be wrong, and its a terrible shame but this is what I think.

Edit: Gideon, stop being an ass.

Edit no2: It feels like a storms about to hit me.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Actually I can see the point the gals are making. It is faulty to use quotes entirely for your argument. It would be like me claim Sidious would own Windu or Bane purely becuase he 'the most powerful sith', without taking into account the variables or Shatterpoint, Vapaad or the Orbalisks. More details need to be given. Also, quotes don't really mean anything when not backed up by feats. Marko Ragnos was quoted to be 'the most powerful of the most powerful', but can't back it up with feats, so it would be faulty to claim he would intrinsically beat Ludo Kreesh or Naga Sadow, two who actually have said feats beyond getting tooled by Jaden Korr.

There is also the argument for circumstances, which should be common sense. Darth Caedus would tool Mara Jade on most days, but becuase of circumstances, she almost handed him his ass. If he didn't have that dart, he would have lost. Likewise, people can claim that Kenobi is above Grievous becuase he did in fact kill him, but Kenobi only won by a fluke, by using that blaster on the unprotected chest of Grievous. Without the blaster, he would have been crushed. That being said that doesn't mean the whole premise of a Versus Forum is destroyed, as we can argue still that the people could win without any of these circumstances, the majority of the time, in a neutral setting unless otherwise stated, in which that circumstance should be considered, which I applaud Ms Marvel doing in the Yoda v Caedus thread. Going back to Mara vs Jacen, it could be argued that Jacen would win in neutral territory, but if this is changed to the caves where they did fight, it would obviously mean that Mara could capitalise on this setting with her superior guile.

Because people around here think the two are synonymous.

If thats the proper word.

The thing your pointing out as being stupid, is exactly the same thing I am.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because people around here think the two are synonymous.

If thats the proper word.

No, apparently you and ADVENT think they're synonymous, which they aren't.

You. Are. A. Moron.

Read the thing again. Understand it this time.

Actually I can see the point the gals are making. It is faulty to use quotes entirely for your argument. It would be like me claim Sidious would own Windu or Bane purely becuase he 'the most powerful sith', without taking into account the variables or Shatterpoint, Vapaad or the Orbalisks. More details need to be given. Also, quotes don't really mean anything when not backed up by feats. Marko Ragnos was quoted to be 'the most powerful of the most powerful', but can't back it up with feats, so it would be faulty to claim he would intrinsically beat Ludo Kreesh or Naga Sadow, two who actually have said feats beyond getting tooled by Jaden Korr.

Galen > Caedus because Galen > Vader = 80% Sidious < Yoda = strongest Jedi ever > Caedus so Galen wins.

Bane beats Dooku because Bane can kill people with Force lightning and Dooku can't so Bane automatically wins, same with Galen.

This is retarded.

No, what's retarded is you reading something and getting it so utterly wrong you mistake it for saying the exact opposite of what it really is.