Originally posted by Juntai
Her slightly increased stats don't mean much, Bruce invariably beats her featwise anyhow, how well does she actually perform?
Looking through respect threads for her, I just see Wolverine and Cap kicking her ass, really.
The only thing is that her healing factor might make her last long enough to survive till Hyde gets there.
pretty much. she's never really been very impressive in the times i've seen her. 😬
Originally posted by leonidas
i wasn't sure about her HF but cap DID wreck her in a straight 1on1. not sure if you're basing this on just her new healing factor or what, but he is undoubtly more skilled. she also didn't seem faster than cap. again, that fight may have been before her upgraded HF though.
Cap "owned" DS WAY before her upgrades, which took place in Extreme X-men... Since then she's stalemated both X-23 and Wolverine.
And iirc Cap used plot device ftw..
Originally posted by Juntai
Her slightly increased stats don't mean much, Bruce invariably beats her featwise anyhow, how well does she actually perform?
Looking through respect threads for her, I just see Wolverine and Cap kicking her ass, really.
The only thing is that her healing factor might make her last long enough to survive till Hyde gets there.
Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah, I just looked back through that fight and honestly she was giving Cap the business in that fight. She landed the first strike and the only legitimate Cap got on her was the shield bash at the end before she got plastered with the catwalk. Yeah what a low performance. 🙄
you got scans? i remember her slipping a kick that did nothing, and cap pretty much ending it with the shield when he really got serious. i admit it's been a while since i saw it though. and i thought the catwalk thing happened after he'd pretty much ended the fight, but maybe not. scans would help.
don't have an ability to put scans up sans taking digital pictures.
Basically she shreds his torso, I don't see damage on the suit thereafter or blood, but there is definitely shreds of something coming off her claws when she takes her 2nd swipe at Cap. And at the end of the fight, Cap indeed shield bashed her in the face. However... There's no/none/zero indication that it was a fight ending blow. All it showed is him hitting her hard before the catwalk fell on top of her.. It not likely that it was a fight ender considering even after the catwalk, she was still talking trash to Cap...
Originally posted by leonidas
you got scans? i remember her slipping a kick that did nothing, and cap pretty much ending it with the shield when he really got serious. i admit it's been a while since i saw it though. and i thought the catwalk thing happened after he'd pretty much ended the fight, but maybe not. scans would help.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
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yeah, that's what i thought. he was baically toying with her for most of the time, leading her to do what he wanted. she couldn't even hit him, though MAYBE she got a tiny piece of his clothing, once. he tricked her into cutting cords, nearly got her to cut the chains. the only hit she managed is when he looked at the screen and was distracted. even her own teammate acknowledged cap was winning. then he said 'that's enough' and ended it. the catwalk was used BY cap ATFER he downed her for the second time. not sure why that's a plot device. it was part of the surroundings. he tagged her when he wanted to and she couldn't hit him unless he was distracted. 😬
i already know jin will spin it a different way, but in THAT encounter (not sure how things would go currently) cap was CLEARLY superior imo. anyone disagree?
Originally posted by leonidas
😐yeah, that's what i thought. he was baically toying with her for most of the time, leading her to do what he wanted. she couldn't even hit him, though MAYBE she got a tiny piece of his clothing, once. he tricked her into cutting cords, nearly got her to cut the chains. the only hit she managed is when he looked at the screen and was distracted. even her own teammate acknowledged cap was winning. then he said 'that's enough' and ended it. the catwalk was used BY cap ATFER he downed her for the second time. not sure why that's a plot device. it was part of the surroundings. he tagged her when he wanted to and she couldn't hit him unless he was distracted. 😬
i already know jin will spin it a different way, but in THAT encounter (not sure how things would go currently) cap was CLEARLY superior imo. anyone disagree?
What in the balls? That's delusional.... 😐
She snagged him at the beginning of the fight and she kicked him upside his face to the point he let out an "NNNGH!". Aside from the shield hit at the end, Cap was no more successful in hitting her either. The only time he was able to land blows was when she haphazardly decided to start attacking bystanders without explaination so they look pretty damned even to me.
And, toying with her? He couldn't trick her into doing shit. He tried to... sure, but ultimately failed, hell that's why the bystanders are STILL there by the end of the encounter.. did you even read the scans or just glance at the pictures once over because her "teammate" never once says anything that pretains to the fight itself. 🤨
Downed her a second time? He didn't down her a first time. He knocked her to the ground after she literally turned her back to him, big deal that is let me tell ya cuase she kicked him upside his head immediately after.
You're really in no position to just DECIDE that she was beaten after the shield hit either, this lady has taken explosions, adamantium fists, and tanks running her over, but Cap took her out of the fight with one shield hit huh? Yeah, that must be why she was still awake, smiling and talking trash from under the catwalk. 🙄
And for someone like you, I REALLY should not need to explain how the fight ender was a win by plot device.. really....
Fact is, is that the actual fight between the two had them on even ground evading one another, catching eachother off guard, and both landing at least one legitimate hit. Cap's hit obviously more impressive of the two, but at no point was it the beatdown you claim it to be and at no point did it allude to who would win if the fight had continued sans plot devices.
IF Cap was superior it was going by a point system simply based on the impressive look of his last hit.... something that didn't even get a reaction out of DS.... Look... I'll readily admit that classic Deathstrike wasn't up to par in fighting ability at the top of the list like Cap or Bats, so it's little wonder how Cap could outscore her in a blow for blow contest, but to continue insisting she got beat down here is flat out delusional.
BTW: nice to see how much you think of me nowadays... pffft whatever.
scan 2: he doesn't attack, she misses 3 times
scan 3: he doesn't attack, she misses again, cuts the cables like he wanted her to do (proven next page by her teammate)
scan 4: she misses again, avoids cutting the chain as he hoped and tried to lead her into doing, he maybe attacks maybe dodges?? (that last panel is hard to determine what's happening) and her teammate confirms he led her into cutting the cables. (view it differently if you'd like or pooh-pooh his opinion but i'll stick with what he says).
scan 5: his first real effort to attack. he tackles her, has her down (first time) and gets distracted by the image on the screen--maybe her back was turned when he started to tackle her, but he hits her in the stomach so clearly she turned around
scan 6: she kicks him while he is distracted which only seems to po him and he clubs her for only his second clear effort at offense (maybe she was maybe she wasn't on the ground)
scan 7: the coup de grace
i have no idea why that would be a plot device win. he tried to hit her twice, he DID hit twice. she hit him once when his back was turned and missed him a ton of times. you admit he's better so i don't see the issue. i've no idea how you don't see that as a dominating performance by cap, but meh, i don't care that much one way or the other.
and i've REALLY got no clue what you're on about with regards to what i think of you. 😑
i knew you'd see it differently--likely completely differently, hence my comment. i just don't see how and suspect most would look at that fight the way i did and say cap dominated her.
so, yeah. i'm not belaboring this because like i said, i suspect most would see it my way. if not, i suppose you'd be proven correct in your interpretation. 😬
personally, i'd love to hear what others thought of that battle.
Originally posted by leonidas
scan 2: he doesn't attack, she misses 3 times
Originally posted by leonidas
scan 3: he doesn't attack, she misses again, cuts the cables like he wanted her to do (proven next page by her teammate)
Once again, he's on the defensive and running back.
I'm not sure if those are cables she's cutting. I guess we'll have to take his word for it since it doesn't happen on panel. Funny how that's the case even though she already shows she's not dumb enough to do that...
Originally posted by leonidas
scan 4: she misses again, avoids cutting the chain as he hoped and tried to lead her into doing, he maybe attacks maybe dodges?? (that last panel is hard to determine what's happening) and her teammate confirms he led her into cutting the cables. (view it differently if you'd like or pooh-pooh his opinion but i'll stick with what he says).
Originally posted by leonidas
scan 5: his first real effort to attack. he tackles her, has her down (first time) and gets distracted by the image on the screen--maybe her back was turned when he started to tackle her, but he hits her in the stomach so clearly she turned around
So what? He tackled her while her back is turned to him and punches her on the way down it's not nearly as impressive as you're making it out to be.
Originally posted by leonidas
scan 6: she kicks him while he is distracted which only seems to po him and he clubs her for only his second clear effort at offense (maybe she was maybe she wasn't on the ground)
It's not the stomping you keep making it out to be . Cap landed one decent hit before defecting to plot device, pretty much the rest of the fight he was running away. I fail to see how that's an ownage.
Originally posted by jinzin
He can't attack because he's on the defensive. She misses twice and lands two attacks, of course one is blocked by a shield. But it isn't accurate to say she missed three times when she didn't.Once again, he's on the defensive and running back.
I'm not sure if those are cables she's cutting. I guess we'll have to take his word for it since it doesn't happen on panel. Funny how that's the case even though she already shows she's not dumb enough to do that...And he's running away again...
So what? He tackled her while her back is turned to him and punches her on the way down it's not nearly as impressive as you're making it out to be.
As stated, it's the only legit hit he hits her with.
It's not the stomping you keep making it out to be . Cap landed one decent hit before defecting to plot device, pretty much the rest of the fight he was running away. I fail to see how that's an ownage.
he doesn't even want to fight her. too many people. you say he can't attack because he's "running away" too much on the defensive. i say he's simply dodging and not even trying to attack. he wants to lead her into cutting those cables (and does), he wants to try and get her to cut the chains (nearly does). that doesn't sound like someone overly concerned with offense. :/ sorry, i don't see it as him "running away" at all. when he decides to stop dodging he hits her--hard.
meh. like i said. i'm fine with hearing what others think of it.
Originally posted by leonidas
he doesn't even want to fight her. too many people. you say he can't attack because he's "running away" too much on the defensive. i say he's simply dodging and not even trying to attack. he wants to lead her into cutting those cables (and does), he wants to try and get her to cut the chains (nearly does). that doesn't sound like someone overly concerned with offense. :/ sorry, i don't see it as him "running away" at all. when he decides to stop dodging he hits her--hard.meh. like i said. i'm fine with hearing what others think of it.
Hits her hard.. once.. Again it's not the curbing you make it out to be.
Originally posted by jinzin
Hits her hard.. once.. Again it's not the curbing you make it out to be.
i see it as a stomp because he was never in any danger (he seemed to be easily dodging her except when he was distracted), led her around while dodging and not even trying to be offensive, and then ending when he decided it was enough.
you see it differently. your perogative, of course.
Originally posted by leonidasNot neccisarily a stomp, as that would imply he was clubbing her the whole time and koed her in my mind, but yeah, he was pretty evidently and clearly superior in pretty much all aspects there.
i see it as a stomp because he was never in any danger (he seemed to be easily dodging her except when he was distracted), led her around while dodging and not even trying to be offensive, and then ending when he decided it was enough.you see it differently. your perogative, of course.
What other showings does she have?