Mace vs DE Luke

Uh I though they were tought low, mid and high in the JA trilogy.

No it was Fast, Medium, Strong. Strong was fun online, let's you do a "DFA".

I was talking about the Jedi Academy books. Ive never played the games.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
And once again LL, how on earth does Vaapad matter against a light sider?

Well, Luke will be completely unfamiliar with the combos. He may also be surprised that a light side practitioner fights so aggressively or what have you; Mace is unique. Also: Vaapad makes Mace better even against non-sith; it draws upon his own darkness to fight.

That better not be some form of racist comment....... His 'iner darkness' thats not nice, man.

Racism ain't helpful at all.

Unless it is helpful, then it is.

Originally posted by truejedi
i'm thinking Mace wins too, He did beat sidious, so Luke beating sidious doesn't put luke above mace.

What you have to remember though is that the Palpatine Luke fought was a lot more formiddable than the one Mace fought.

Firstly, Palpatine's knowledge/power had increased a lot after RotS, because he had more time to collect and study Dark Side lore.

Second, when Luke fought him he had transferred his spirit into a new body, so he was now (physically) younger and stronger while still having all his skill and power.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Ah, yes. I know that one now. Wasn't Luke being aided by Leia's Force Harmony, which isn't present here?

Yeah you're right. I think (just my opinion) that Leia's Force Harmony just kept the Dark Side from confusing his mind, since he'd just snapped out of Palpatine's thrall. It wasn't giving him extra power or anything.

Originally posted by Incanus
That better not be some form of racist comment....... His 'iner darkness' thats not nice, man.

Don't worry. It isn't. It just refers to Mace's natural predisposition towards aggression. He himself notes inthe RotS novel that Vaapad "channels my own inner darkness into a weapon of the light." His words.

Mace windu...

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Racism ain't helpful at all.

Racism? Wut?

Originally posted by Incanus
That better not be some form of racist comment....... His 'iner darkness' thats not nice, man.

I'm so glad you're on ignore. This calls for both a
"What the fvck is wrong with you!?"
and a

Read shatterpoint. Or even this:

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I don't mean to throw this thread off topic, but it seems to have died anyway. This seems like the ideal place for a definitive discussion about what Vaapad does and does not do.

Case 1:
Vaapad practitioner vs. Dark Side User

This is the most common instance in vs. Threads- See Mace vs. Palpatine. In this situation, the 'superconducting loop' comes into effect. In the only canon case of this occurrence, Vaapad was thrown against a superior force user (Sidious). The Superconducting loop serves to equalize the disparity between the Vapaad user and his opponent. This only comes into effect with Force powers- it copied Sidious's Force Speed, but would not be able to copy someone's innate speed- like Grievous.

Case 2:
Vapaad Practitioner vs. Neutral user or non- Force Sensitive

This is probably the most common occurrence in universe, as there are fewer DS users to fight than say, droids. In this situation Vaapad is fueled by the user's inner darkness- the innate power of Mace Windu, for example. The 'loop does not come into play, but the user still 'skirts the penumbra' of the DS, as shown by Shatterpoint. This is the style that Windu uses in any fight where he is not outclassed by a DS force user.

Case 3:
Vaapad Practitioner in a Sparring setting

The consensus on the boards is that Vapaad does not automatically use the metaphysical aspects of the style in a fight. The combinations of the saber style, the sequences, would be unaffected by the users 'mood'. I take issue with this idea.

Vapaad was not just a saber style-it was a state of mind

[quote]:
There was no Jedi restraint here.
Mace Windu was cutting loose.

:
Vaapad is a channel for darkness

Vaapad is as aggressive and powerful as its namesake, but its power comes at great risk: immersion in Vaapad opens the gates that restrain one's inner darkness. [b]To use Vaapad, a Jedi must allow himself to enjoy the fight; he must give himself over to the thrill of battle. The rush of winning. Vaapad is a path that leads through the penumbra of the dark side.

This shows that to use Vaapad at all, one must enjoy the battle, and to do so one must fight the lure of the Dark Side. Simply using the form on Karun Hal (without a lightsaber in his hand) pushed him dangerously close to the Dark Side:

He knew already he could not match Vastor for raw power. With each breath, he stripped away another layer of restraint and inhibition. Another layer of serenity. He had to move his inner peace out of the way to let in the joy. The thrill. the sheer okay-why-not-let's-FIGHT. Because Vaapad was more than just a form os Lightsaber combat.
It was a state of mind.
[...]
To use Vaapad now, out here was incredibly dangerous-almost as dangerous as not using it.

You can't get Vaapad results without using a Vaapad state of mind. [/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah, I think he was just kidding...

Jokes are supposed to be funny. If he learns then I will have helped him. If not then he can stay on ignore; stupidity is contagious.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Jokes are supposed to be funny.

He... he was looking at the lights...

No! No, f*ck no!

It's f*cking distraaacting... OOOOH, GOOOOD!

F*ck! What the f*ck is it with you?

He was... looking at the lights...

Seriously man, you and me, we're f*cking done professionally.

F*cking ass.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Seriously man, you and me, we're f*cking done professionally.

F*cking ass.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
F*ck! What the f*ck is it with you?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
No! No, f*ck no!

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
What don't you f*cking understand?! Gimme a f*cking answer!