Kyo Kusanagi vs Travis Touchdown

Started by Avlon2 pages
Originally posted by REY1987
DISCLAIMER: I HAVE ALREADY AGREED THAT TRAVIS CAN WIN, SO THIS REPLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME TRYING TO MAKE KYO WIN.

And I never disputed that... relax..LOL

Originally posted by REY1987
now, the kryptonite man u are talking about. has not only beaten superman(orochi) but he has also beaten flash, batman, wonderwoman, green lantern....i hope u get the point..... so please if u are intelligent enough to get it...do not reply.... to this part and accept that u were simply mistaken.....

Actually, you were mistaken. I simply added to your original point with the facts... that's ok though.

Originally posted by REY1987
than, omega rugal self destructed.... what does that mean... he was defeated anyways..kyo could kill him....but just like travis didnt kill shinobu doesnt mean he didnt defeat her or didnt had the power to defeat her and similarly he didnt wanted to kill holly but she 'self destructed' does THAT mean travis didnt defeat her.... do u think u can even argue with that...bro...... come on you dont sound that stupid.... so if you are not....

Travis beat Holly and she then committed suicide... he beat her first. You sound way emotional about this btw.

Originally posted by REY1987
-KYO defeated rugal and could kill him but didnt.... and than rugal self destructed

-Travis Defeated Holly and could kill him but didnt.... and than holy self destructed....

than in no way it implies that kyo cant defeat someone like Rugal....cuz if it does... than it means Travis couldnt defeat someone like holly....... couldnt make it any simpler

And nothing of the sort was implied. The facts were simply stated...Rugal self destructed..their battle wasn't over.

Originally posted by REY1987
so, again if some I***T wants to reply saying why travis will win than...please dont.... just read the disclaimer....

That's already been determined...however, clarifying facts is perfectly OK.

Originally posted by REY1987
take care....

You too.

Originally posted by Sado22
wow, lotta people are waiting for me to show up 😂

nah, boys, i normally stay away from threads where i don't know enough of both characters. this travis touchdown seems meh (because he embodies everything i hate about japanese media, ranging from stupid names, to bad voices, lame expressions which they use that are supposed to be cool but aren't, crap dress sense, weird hairdos although does get points for being nice enough to behead that stupid silverhaired queer) but his durability is pretty good......although i don't know if he simply has a healing factor or just a lot of toughness.

-if he has a healing factor then well, that pretty much kills all semblence of a fair fight (the main reason why wolverine is a pvssy imo).
-if its toughness, well, damn that's insane. kyo's got insane power but do they hurt as much as RPG's? i don't think so. he laid out Orochi, but that was a punch in which he put ALL his power and strenght into. so, yeah, kyo's in trouble.

reaction time seems to be pretty good for Travis, but he was usng a weapon to deflect the bullets. that's impressive but since (i assume) we're talking h2h i don't think that applies.

stll, based on the knd of toughness he's displayed (if its not HF, which only makes him pvssy) i give it to Travis Retarded-name-only-japanese-people-and-japophiles-think-is-cool

~Sado

So far he's a normal human. There has been no hint at a special ability or gift that he has. The guy also stepped on landmines and he was still fine.

To be honest, to beat Orochi, Kyo needed help from both Iori and Chizuru...plus they were the living embodiment of his weaknesses/seal. Kind of like Kryptonite man fighting Superman.

the kryptonite thing is actually a fanmade theory. in the game itself and all the related info about it, it never explicity or even implicitly states that Orochi is weak against the kusanagi or yagami flames. all they said is that these were the flames that sealed Orochi all those years ago.
the kryptonite thing is a myth....just like the one that says Heihachi defeated Devil in T2. hachi never fought devil, never even came across him until Tekken4.

The following is the basic find and structure of what I have discovered.
-Kusanagi flames are normal ki flames without any gimmick. there is not even a single fact pointing to otherwise and if it is, I'm dying to know from all of you.
-the flames aren't kryptonite to Orochi either
-the Kusanagi clan specially devised techniques (along with Yasakani) to seal off the Orochi menace. to do this they formed a special fighting style that incorporated Chinese martial arts and pyro-techniques. both Yagami and Yasakani mastered and varied their techniques accordingly.
-Yasakani neutralizes, Kusanagi defeats and Yatta seals.

A few centuries later, however, a certain change occurs in the families.
-the Yasakani's became the weakest of the three clans with the Kusanagi's the strongest, socially as well as in terms of power.
-jealous, the Yasakani clan made a blood pact with Orochi clan to turn the favor for themselves
-the Orochi gave the Yasakani GODLY powers but since the human body cannot contain such power, they have short life spans as their body withers away slowly.
-what they didn't know was that the Orochi could control them at any given time. any full blooded orochi can control the Yagami's. Probably the kof96 outburst of Iori that killed Vice and Mature was Goenitz's "going away present" since he did say "you'll see" before dying.

Their red flames became purple flames, didn't they?
WRONG.
As already stated the flames of Yasakani are Orochi flames. in-game evidence points to it with the fact that Orochi Chris and Iori's flames are the same. the Kusanagi and Yasakani both had the same flames, crimson. they weren't unique and it seems to me that this points against the much loved jobbing scenario (a lame theory put forward by retards that Orochi was sealed because the flames "weaken" him like Kryptonite to Superman).

But not only is there NO evidence given in any of the info on the ancient Orochi battle or the fact that the flames weaken Orochi. What we do know is that both the Yasakani and Kusanagi flames are one and the same, developed by both families together as they combined Chinese martial arts with the art of flame wielding. With the strongest son from each clan, they took on the Orochi and defeated it with their flames. The Yasakani merely neutralized Orochi while Kusanagi's defeated it....but the flames are both the same thing, that is, the pyro-techniques the clans mastered together. Years later the Orochi blood then combined with the Yasakani's and taught them the purple flame technique arts. They became Orochi flames after being taught.

It is generally believed by the fandom of KoF (and especially the Iori-Kyo retractors) that the flames are a genetic process where the person can naturally produce flames. But what DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS this is Iori's own quote: "I will never teach the Yagami flame techniques to anyone but a Yagami" in KoF: Kyo. But that is not all. To add to this is the fact that Shermie is one who taught Kyo's cousin, Aoi, the way of wielding purple flames. Aoi is NOT of Yagami blood nor was she ever tainted by the blood either. She doesn't even have any exposure to Orochi in the past either.

So its clear that one need not be a Yagami to wield the Yagami purple flames. As mentioned before, Iori's own quote proves it. Notice that all the Orochi's know how to wield purple flames (Shermie being one who taught Aoi Kusanagi) and Orochi Chris wielding them himself. But the purple flames can also be taught to anyone else. Hence purple flames are not a result of Orochi power, otherwise Aoi would not have been able to wield them since she is a pure breed Kusanagi.

So basically the Orochi blood mixed with that of the Yasakani's and after that they were taught the techniques of wielding purple flames, the same way Shermie taught Aoi the purple flames. The red flames didn't TURN purple. The Yasakani simply abandoned their red flames techniques for the newer purple flame techniques that the Orochi taught them.

Hence, the purple flames are simply a separate technique the Orochi's happen to know and master. It is independent of bloodline and Orochi power. This is why they are called Orochi flames: because the Orochi's use it.

How? Why? What?

The explanation is simple really: Orochi power is not flame power but all over increase in ki level to insane amounts. This argument helps to point out how Yamazaki and Leona's super human capabilities and brute strength (Leona could chop a tree down at the age of 8!). All the Orochi's have been shown to perform acts of inhuman strength on more than one occasion. Be it super speed (Chris) or brute strength (Yashiro). Heck even Shermie is strong enough to toss people several feet away despite formal training.
For Iori and the Yasakani's their ki was their flames. Hence their flames got a boost too in terms of fire power and intensity. Since Iori's powers are his flames, his flames wind up becoming godly in terms of strength as was the promise of the blood pact: godly powers. Does that mean that Iori can wield his family's original red flames with equal strength? Yes of course, he can. That is why he raped Goenitz without becoming weakened. Like I said, the purple flames aren't his strength but the Orochi blood in his veins. Otherwise Aoi's flames would be as strong as Iori's but they weren't. why? Because she didn't have Orochi blood.

from my manly site: http://www.freewebs.com/thedemon23/theories.htm

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
the kryptonite thing is actually a fanmade theory. in the game itself and all the related info about it, it never explicity or even implicitly states that Orochi is weak against the kusanagi or yagami flames. all they said is that these were the flames that sealed Orochi all those years ago.
the kryptonite thing is a myth....just like the one that says Heihachi defeated Devil in T2. hachi never fought devil, never even came across him until Tekken4.

from my manly site: http://www.freewebs.com/thedemon23/theories.htm

~Sado

"-Yasakani neutralizes, Kusanagi defeats and Yatta seals."

Wouldn't neutralizing the power imply a weakness? This allows Kyo to defeat, and then Yatta to seal.

Good post though. Always glad to see other KOF fans.

yeah, iori does weaken orochi by using his flames. but its his own power. SWAT team neutralize domestic threats...they don't wave their hands in front of the terrorist till they just fall over 😂
"neutralizing" and "depowering orochi with his kryptonite flames" are two different things.

Originally posted by Sado22
yeah, iori does weaken orochi by using his flames. but its his own power. SWAT team neutralize domestic threats...they don't wave their hands in front of the terrorist till they just fall over 😂
"neutralizing" and "depowering orochi with his kryptonite flames" are two different things.

If Orochi is "neutralized" enough to go from godhood to where a human can beat him with flame fists...it's a weakness. A weakness that makes less sense if it's his own power under a being who he controls in the 1st place....

Semantics aside, either way it took all 3 to play a role to defeat Orochi...neither of the 3 could have done it on their own.

Waving hands...that was a good one. 😉

Originally posted by Sado22
wow, lotta people are waiting for me to show up 😂

nah, boys, i normally stay away from threads where i don't know enough of both characters. this travis touchdown seems meh (because he embodies everything i hate about japanese media, ranging from stupid names, to bad voices, lame expressions which they use that are supposed to be cool but aren't, crap dress sense, weird hairdos although does get points for being nice enough to behead that stupid silverhaired queer) but his durability is pretty good......although i don't know if he simply has a healing factor or just a lot of toughness.

He's kind of intentionally made that way as a means of satire, along with the entire game's satirical execution of stereotypical Japanese media mixed with a few contemporary elements of popular culture. He's basically a means of calling other characters out on it. I'll only say that if you hate someone like Dante or Ken Masters, Travis isn't quite as bad.

Travis is like, if Dante's stupidity were self aware, it's win.

Originally posted by Avlon

Travis beat Holly and she then committed suicide... he beat her first. You sound way emotional about this btw.

You too.

hey dude,

nice reply.... as far as the hostility is concerned i was expecting angst in return...but thanks for keeping down... still.... what are u trying to prove up there... man... you think rugal would self destruct himself..... without even being defeated...or feeling defeated.... oh cmon! u are trying to say that kyo didnt defeat rugal....and somewhere during the fight rugal -while winning according to you- got the news that one of his goldfish died because of his menace..... and he commited suicide...bidding the cruel world...a farewell.............

-pathetic-

anyways that brings me to my next point..... holly commited suicide... after being defeated.... why? is committing suicide... not equal to self destruct.... if its not than this might help you bro....

su⋅i⋅cide
  /ˈsuəˌsaɪd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [soo-uh-sahyd]

–noun
1. the intentional taking of one's own life.
2. destruction of one's own self **
3. a person who intentionally takes his or her own life.

look man nothing personal here.... but dont understate kyo's original achievements...... just because you think Travis is better....

Take care brother...

He's kind of intentionally made that way as a means of satire, along with the entire game's satirical execution of stereotypical Japanese media mixed with a few contemporary elements of popular culture. He's basically a means of calling other characters out on it. I'll only say that if you hate someone like Dante or Ken Masters, Travis isn't quite as bad.

oh okay. i've never actually played the game so i don't know anything about it...but if its a satire, i'm a fan already.

If Orochi is "neutralized" enough to go from godhood to where a human can beat him with flame fists...it's a weakness. A weakness that makes less sense if it's his own power under a being who he controls in the 1st place.

yeah, there is an undeniable PIS element in the whole thing. that said, videogames were scarcely ever without one. how many "gods" have gotten owned by mortals? Kratos>Ares, Kratos>Zeus, Kratos>peresphone, pre-devilpowers Jin>Ogre, Terry Bogard>Mars, Kyo>Athena.....never ending list.
the idea is just that Iori holds Orochi down with a burst of flames coming from him, kyo comes and smacks him as hard as he can with his flames...and kagura checks herself out in the mirror till they finish and then locks orochi into it...useless biatch.

Semantics aside, either way it took all 3 to play a role to defeat Orochi...neither of the 3 could have done it on their own.

agreed. which makes it a little less PIS than, say, ryu going hulk hogan and defeating Seth

Waving hands...that was a good one.

😂

Kyo all the way.

From some rpg/date sim/whatever game from snk, I remember he can incinerate people except that he never really incinerated anyone there. And that Travis dude counts as people, meaning Kyo can incinerate him, which is more that Ryu will ever do anyway (don't ask me what Ryu has to do with this though. I'm pretty sure it's somehow related).

He defeated all kof bosses (anyone who tells you he got help from Benimaru, Goro, Ryo, Terry, Athena, Iori, Chizuru, K', etc. is lying)

He saved the world tons of times, he plays hockey, he escaped from nests hq, he has a cool outfit, a girfriend... and all that counts as power feats.

Also, anything Travis does is PIS.

you can drop the sarcasm. you suck at it 😐
PM I-drop or myself and we can give you a few tips, though.

~Sado
P.S. i heard ryu could dodge bullets and immolate people with his shakuunetsu hadouken...even though he hasn't done that either. at least, kagura had to stop kyo from incinerating yashiro and yamazaki 😆

So I guess Kyo defeated Orochi all by himself(superman theme plays)

Kyo all the way.

From some rpg/date sim/whatever game from snk, I remember he can incinerate people except that he never really incinerated anyone there. And that Travis dude counts as people, meaning Kyo can incinerate him, which is more that Ryu will ever do anyway (don't ask me what Ryu has to do with this though. I'm pretty sure it's somehow related).

He defeated all kof bosses (anyone who tells you he got help from Benimaru, Goro, Ryo, Terry, Athena, Iori, Chizuru, K', etc. is lying)

He saved the world tons of times, he plays hockey, he escaped from nests hq, he has a cool outfit, a girfriend... and all that counts as power feats.

Also, anything Travis does is PIS.

You sound stupid with those sarcasm. Try again.

Originally posted by Evil Ryu
Kyo all the way.

From some rpg/date sim/whatever game from snk, I remember he can incinerate people except that he never really incinerated anyone there. And that Travis dude counts as people, meaning Kyo can incinerate him, which is more that Ryu will ever do anyway (don't ask me what Ryu has to do with this though. I'm pretty sure it's somehow related).

He defeated all kof bosses (anyone who tells you he got help from Benimaru, Goro, Ryo, Terry, Athena, Iori, Chizuru, K', etc. is lying)

He saved the world tons of times, he plays hockey, he escaped from nests hq, he has a cool outfit, a girfriend... and all that counts as power feats.

Also, anything Travis does is PIS.

😂
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
My convos with you tonight have changed my opinion on a certain subject. I am now pro-choice.
😂
Originally posted by REY1987
hey dude,

nice reply.... as far as the hostility is concerned i was expecting angst in return...but thanks for keeping down... still.... what are u trying to prove up there... man... you think rugal would self destruct himself..... without even being defeated...or feeling defeated.... oh cmon! u are trying to say that kyo didnt defeat rugal....and somewhere during the fight rugal -while winning according to you- got the news that one of his goldfish died because of his menace..... and he commited suicide...bidding the cruel world...a farewell.............

-pathetic-

anyways that brings me to my next point..... holly commited suicide... after being defeated.... why? is committing suicide... not equal to self destruct.... if its not than this might help you bro....

Rugal didn't want to die. He couldn't handle the Orochi power & it destroyed him. Kyo did NOT defeat him in that battle.

Kyo probably defeat normal Rugal in 94 but he didn't defeat Omega Rugal.

ok...... so the rugal of 94..... is a sissy girl....compared to holly or any other assasin of No More Heroes.....?

i still havent played the game.... but anyways i guess.... there is no point in beating around the bush.....

right now Evil Ryu's new gimmick sucks so bad I heard Vince McMahon called him up and wanted him to be the next Cena 😂

Originally posted by Sado22
you can drop the sarcasm. you suck at it 😐
PM I-drop or myself and we can give you a few tips, though.

~Sado
P.S. i heard ryu could dodge bullets and immolate people with his shakuunetsu hadouken...even though he hasn't done that either. at least, kagura had to stop kyo from incinerating yashiro and yamazaki 😆

Aw dude, you are not gonna argue back at this one? It was funny when you did it in the Iori thread!
Lol and Ryu WAS somehow related!

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma

You sound stupid with those sarcasm. Try again.

I sound stupid? but I'm just repeating pretty much the same stuff you guys say all the time lol!

Anyway, might wanna not use those internet cat pics or saying things like "those sarcasm" when saying someone else sounds stupid 😉